System76 Reportedly Developing Their Own Rust-Written Desktop, Not Based On GNOME

[Khrundel]

And, according to this blog post from a not-insignificant Solus person,

Have you read it? This post is constructed to mislead reader into believing system76 have proposed something sane. He prefered not to link proposition.

You can see real proposition as patches and discussion, linked by gnome's blogpost. "temporary" suggested solution was to allow to reverse libadwaita developer decision on external theming disabling. Just reverse, without addressing any problems theme disabling should solve.
The permanent solution was to enumerate names of themes, developer allows. This also would break gnome's own theming (they plan to add ability to force dark and hc themes), but system76 just doesn't care.

The funniest part is that gnome developers are disabling "theming" for end-users because that ability was abused by disto-creators who tried to mislead users into believing their disto isn't just slightly repackaged ubuntu. They was asked to stop doing this and they've ignored. But instead of thinking about their own behavior, system76 developer suggested to keep theming disabled for end users but make exception for people who caused problem.

What's more likely? That there's a big conspiracy against GNOME to paint them as assholes or that they're just assholes?

100% likely is that people who sell other people's product under their branding aren't happy with this coming to an end. And they trying to shape narrative to force Gnome developers to reverse this decision and they trying to use us as a stupid ram which will do dirty work for them. Why they are doing this? Gnome devs have created a special library, libadwaita, just to place there some gnome-specific code instead of placing it into GTK. Any 3td party developer using plain GTK won't be affected by this. Only gnome apps. So the idea behing system76 and solus guys is that gnome developers shouldn't be allowed to fix theming problem within gnome apps.

[michaelb1]

I like using stuff written in rust, but I'd more prefer system76 to support secure/verified boot and a TPM with measured boot.

This TPM has to be open source firmware/hardware, otherwise it's a security by obscurity (which doesn't work) at best, or the extra backdoors at worst.

[pal666]

Well as far as I know Pop_OS also has additional tiling capacities compared to Gnome, among other things. Thinking some company designing a new desktop environment could have new ideas isn't too far fetched if you ask me.

well, it's already existing gnome shell extension, so you don't need new desktop to use it. and it wasn't reason for their tantrum because it already exists, the reason for their tantrum was desire of color differentiation.
btw, gnome upstream wanted tiling, but system76 didn't want to collaborate https://archive.vn/tokPE

[pal666]

If we are going to wildly speculate about indications, then this is FUD and its going to be the opposite. System76 has incredibly talented engineers that surprisingly puts effort into user experience.

so your speculation is fud and it's going to be the opposite, right?
btw, what makes you think that rest of gnome contributors don't have incredibly talented engineers or don't put effort into user experience?

[pal666]

It's more profitable to use an existing product than hire developers to maintain yours. But System76 isn't a typical business

they don't need profit because they feed on the holy spirit?

[pal666]

i think there were more Gnome Fans at Ubuntu than Unity so Gnome got more love than Unity ever did

i think canonical is a business entity and its employees work on assigned tasks

[pal666]

What System76 has is their own hardware. So for them, building their own software makes all the sense.

this is nonsense. there are many hardware vendors and usually it doesn't make sense to build their own software. and it requires a lot of money, i.e. you have to be very high revenue/high margin hardware vendor

[pal666]

After Valve another company is leaving the sinking boat of Gnome3...

valve is leaving the sinking boat of windows, not gnome. and kde is similar to windows.
system76 is joining graveyard of failed projects

[pal666]

It's not NIH when you wanted to contribute to what existed so as to bring your vision to the table but you have been dismissed.
Gnome is following a developer-centric path while companies such as Canonical or System76 are much more toward making average Joes' life easier.

so basically your chain of thought is bullshit because canonical(like all other gnome contributors) is fine with gnome and its theming. system76 didn't have vision to bring, only demands

[pal666]

What's more likely?

your confirmation bias, obviously

That there's a big conspiracy against GNOME to paint them as assholes or that they're just assholes?

lolwhut? big conspiracy of 1.5 kids from system76? or you confused gnome with sytem76 and tried to say "That there's a big conspiracy against system76 to paint them as assholes or that they're just assholes?" ? now that you have correct question you have better chances of giving correct answer