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  • #11
    Are there independent reviews yet? If not, there's nothing to discuss.

    There are isolated reports which could indicate that Intel is honest, e.g.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/AMDLaptops/...with_ac_power/

    but to me they look like a case of a BIOS bug rather than an actual widespread issue.

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    • #12
      Intel are scared of AMD aren't they ?

      Actually owning a Renoir based laptop my experience does not match up with Intel's claims.

      An afterthought....

      Intel may have shot themselves in the foot here as one could conclude from the slides that Tiger Lake thrashes the battery rather than conserving it.
      Last edited by Slartifartblast; 23 November 2020, 05:34 PM.

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      • #13
        Intel, better fix your holes and shut up, because you're sinking. Without LVI mitigation Intel CPUs are officially insecure, so every benchmark is meaningless.

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        • #14
          Would be nice to see benchmarks with frame rate limit, so it is apples to apples comparisson.

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          • #15
            Slow news day? If everything Intel has ever said held any ground we'd be running 10GHz single-core CPUs.
            Last edited by angrypie; 23 November 2020, 12:55 PM.

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            • #16
              At work our Android NDK project takes 15 min to compile plugged in but at least half an hour plugged in with I5 8535u. I don't think Intel chips can sustain more than a minute of high performance either.

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              • #17
                Originally posted by microcode View Post
                This is an extremely disingenuous marketing campaign from Intel, just like usual. Normalizing for power, there is no point where Intel's most comparable chips perform better this time around.
                Nah.. Tiger Lake isn´t really "released" if you go to a store, you won´t be able to buy a tiger lake based laptop..
                Yes you can compare it to Renoir and potentially it has a slight edge on it in single thread performance..
                Mainly due to the ~1GHz faster boost clock, which operates a single core in a very inefficient region..

                Tiger Lake is a 4 Core CPU, Renoir is a 8 Core CPU with ~the same TDP. In raw throughput per Watt Renoir blows Tiger Lake out of the water.. Depends on what you need..

                But IMHO both CPUs offer sufficient single core performance to do worktasks like office or web browsing. Where throughput is important, like graphics editing / video editing, multiple cores are supported in the critical code paths, so you would be better of with a 8 core CPU than a 4 core CPU..

                However once we are in mass availability, Tiger Lake (Willow Lake) has to compete with Cezanne (Zen 3).. And that already adds a ~18-20% improvement in IPC + it runs on an improved 7nm Node, so Cezanne will outperform Tiger Lake..

                Also keep in mind that Intel still has yield issues on the 10nm Node, so we won´t see massive chip availability anytime soon.
                Last edited by Spacefish; 23 November 2020, 01:27 PM.

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by birdie View Post
                  Are there independent reviews yet? If not, there's nothing to discuss.

                  There are isolated reports which could indicate that Intel is honest, e.g.

                  https://www.reddit.com/r/AMDLaptops/...with_ac_power/

                  but to me they look like a case of a BIOS bug rather than an actual widespread issue.
                  Try Hardware Unboxed , They put identical laptops, apart from the CPU, against eachother one Intel and one AMD in august this year.

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM86auSGb2M

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by DRanged View Post

                    Try Hardware Unboxed , They put identical laptops, apart from the CPU, against eachother one Intel and one AMD in august this year.

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM86auSGb2M
                    They are comparing gaming laptops powered by AC. It looks like you haven't really checked the Intel findings we're discussing here.

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by DRanged View Post

                      Try Hardware Unboxed , They put identical laptops, apart from the CPU, against eachother one Intel and one AMD in august this year.

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM86auSGb2M
                      this is 10th gen (Comet Lake) and NOT 11th gen (Tiger Lake)..

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