Fedora 40 Eyes Dropping GNOME X11 Session Support

[GraysonPeddie]

Hello everyone.

Just to let you know that I have been in discussion with others in this thread:

https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/395

This is the video below that I referenced in the thread in Pagure:

https://odysee.com/@GraysonPeddie:6/gnome-mag-obs:5

Hopefully I'm getting somewhere with getting issues with Pipewire, GNOME Magnifier, and OBS fixed so that we can do away with X.org Server. Hopefully.

[oiaohm]

I see commits as recent as a couple of months ago (and 2 weeks ago for one implementation). Is this not exactly what "maintaining" is called? There is less work than this done in many common GNU Coreutils.

Deceptive.

https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/commits/master?ref_type=heads

Most of the work appearing in the xserver branch is for xwayland not for bare metal. So questionable if you can call bare metal X11 usage with xorg x11 server as maintained.

https://github.com/coreutils/coreutils/commits/master there is more work done on Coreutils by a large margin.

The last proper X.org bare metal server release is 2 years old now. The server-21.1 release there have been 3 xwayland releases in since then. I current don't know of any person working on a new x.org xserver release for bare metal. Yes x.org server-21.1 might be the last one ever at this point.

Xenocara is the name chosen for OpenBSD's version of X. It's
currently based on X.Org 7.7

Read carefully,

https://www.x.org/wiki/Releases/

That a fork off of x.org from 2012. So hope you not expecting modern features in any way shape or form.

[Volta]

Windows users have been using this excuse for years. Does that make Linux a toy in comparison?

The difference is Linux was beating Windows in many other areas. It cannot be said about BSD.

You also can't install BSD on a toy duck. That is exactly what Linux is for! There is probably a distribution focused on toy ducks.

Which one? Duckling Linux or something? I thought NetBSD runs everywhere, but it seems I was wrong.. Who cares if there are toys distributions? Linux is free, code is there. You want to prevent people from using their rights to do whatever they want (and what license allows) with it? Does it hurt Debian, RedHat, SuSe? I don't follow your 'reasoning'.

Uhh, in the same way that Windows NT did. Please refer to this ancient Byte magazine for the same recurring nonsense.

And there's more Windows NT than BSD/Unix in server market, isn't it? Linux killed slowlaris and BSD which is a living dead as for now. That's a fact.

HPC kernels are a mess. They rinse out any ounce of power but they are a mess. They are effectively toy kernels, unfit for anything mission critical by design. This is why they are mainly targeted towards simulations and research where any incorrect operation can be damage controlled.

Yeah, right Sherlock. It seems BSD is too weak even for those 'toy HPC computers'. Linux powers mission-critical systems unlike your toy OS. Where is it? Nowhere.

As for "serious" computing... what's that? a point of sale system for a funeral home? Most guys here probably use Linux mainly for "serious" Steam DRM platform gaming. Is that what you mean?

Short memory you have. Every serious company is powered by Linux. Just to mention few: Google/youtube, Facebook, even joke company like Netflix. Not to mention stock exchanges. And where is your BSD? In the "serious" movie platform called Netflix? Netflix is run by thousands of Linux installation fyi. Tell me, where is this legacy toy called BSD? It seems you're jealous, because you can't even play Quake on your miserable OS. Oh, you can if you run Linux emulation. What a joke.

[castlefox]

I have not used Fedora, but I am happy to see a "big" distro try to go without gnome & x11 support. Hopefully this work effort will trickle down to people like me (that are not on the bleeding edge)

[furtadopires]

I'm personally very happy Fedora finally did this change . I hope this move show third party developers that Wayland is ready to be properly supported.

[fitzie]

The issue is X11 as the whole is unmaintained for years as very few stepped up. Legacy apps depending on Xserver must run on XWayland for such purpose until they either switch running on a Wayland compositor for left bitrotting. Apple did that method before so why not GNOME or other desktop environment (Sway already dropped X11 support).

sway never ran under X11, it was always only a wayland compositor. That doesn't mean that sway cannot run X11 apps, using Xwayland (which it allows). I'm saying that gnome-shell/mutter can run under Xorg, or as a wayland compositor with Xwayland. That is the problem. They should stop running under Xorg, and rearchitect properly as a wayland compositor. This has nothing to do with supporting X11 applications, this is that because gnome-shell/mutter tries to be both a wayland compositor and a X11 window manager, it is terrible at both, a jack of all trades, master of none. The only reason for this as far as I see is that they are doing this to inflict maximum pain on everyone for as long as possible, including themselves.

[Mez']

It doesn't exactly matter.
Fedora as a distribution is entirely irrelevant. Low market penetration due to low quality. It's not popular either. And it's arguably the ugliest default Gnome experience, it's Red Hat Instagram where they try to influence the weak-minded to do whatever they are told to do.
This will have very low impact.

[C8292]

It doesn't exactly matter.
Fedora as a distribution is entirely irrelevant. Low market penetration due to low quality. It's not popular either. And it's arguably the ugliest default Gnome experience, it's Red Hat Instagram where they try to influence the weak-minded to do whatever they are told to do.
This will have very low impact.

It's for sure revelant for you to take the time to come here and spread FUD and hate.

Fedora is awesome. It's my daily driver. For me and for my 150 student classes.

Fedora Bodhi is an awesome quality assurance process that most distros don't have.

Fedora has been pushing things forward for years and thankfully in a very smooth tech combination.

I'm thankful for it and replying to you from my kinoite Wayland session 😘

[mdedetrich]

Netflix is run by thousands of Linux installation fyi. Tell me, where is this legacy toy called BSD?

FYI NetFlix uses FreeBSD for the content delivery platforms i.e. caches that are setup up usually at their ISP's, its one of their most business critical areas.

[oiaohm]

FYI NetFlix uses FreeBSD for the content delivery platforms i.e. caches that are setup up usually at their ISP's, its one of their most business critical areas.

https://netflixtechblog.com/the-netflix-cosmos-platform-35c14d9351ad

Cosmos is debian that NetFlix uses internally for video rendering. So a different business critical area of NetFlix is Linux.

One of the reasons NetFlix using FreeBSD on the caches is why Sony uses FreeBSD on the playsation 5. We don't want clients asking for source code and that we might have to hand over something business critical.