Canonical Saw ~$119M Revenue In 2019 But Still Operating At A Loss

[Charlie68]

True Distros have become easy to install (I started with Suse 7,x) compared to any distro today this was difficult.

But I have never said it is THE EASIEST...I have said it is ONE OF THE MOST EASIEST distribution. I cant recall any situation where I struggeld to install ubuntu - without using advanced linux skills....ok secureboot but this is always a bit tricky.
ClearLinux is also easy to install if you know how to use partitions. Debian is also easy if you know what Xserver or graphical user interface implies....By this measure "out of the box" plugin USB stick created under windows install with rudimentary pc knowledge. ..Ubuntu or close derivates are super easy.

Nonetheless now I'm curious what is the name of the distro cleaning up kernel images by default?

Kernel-purge is a Systemd feature, for sure openSUSE uses it, but I believe other distributions too.

[RahulSundaram]

Kernel-purge is a Systemd feature, for sure openSUSE uses it, but I believe other distributions too.

Not a systemd feature. Just a openSUSE specific systemd service that zypper hooks into as I understand that. In Fedora, yum/dnf can purge as well using installonly_limit in yum.conf/dnf.conf

[Charlie68]

Not a systemd feature. Just a openSUSE specific systemd service that zypper hooks into as I understand that. In Fedora, yum/dnf can purge as well using installonly_limit in yum.conf/dnf.conf

Thanks for pointing this out, I thought it was a systemd service, and I was wrong.
I still find it a useful feature, when I happen to install Ubuntu, the most annoying thing is that after some time users collect a lot of useless kernels.

[lowlands]

Ubuntu is on track to becoming profitable.

If I had a nickel for every time that was said... Canonical has been bleeding cash for years so it will take many years of substantial actual profits to offset all those accrued losses. In the same period both Red Hat and SUSE grew substantially, were very profitable and investors made a ton of cash. Compared to those two, Canonical doesn't look very good. In a market were AWS, Azure and GCP revenues grew with billions, Canonical has not been able grab a substantial share of the millions of VMs that were launched on AWS, Azure and GCP. If they had, they would be solidly in the black. So, how come?

[lyamc]

If I had a nickel for every time that was said...

Then you’d still be worse financially than canonical. Give it up.

Also, why are all of you celebrating when you hear that a company which does a lot of open source work ends up losing money?

I find it ironic that I was called the toxic one for calling people stupid when they can’t seem to see that they’re fighting against someone in the same team.

[elatllat]

57th place for $119M

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[Ladis]

Mozilla has been trying to commit suicide for the last decade, and you're going to blame Covid? Maybe it didn't help, but in no way is that their biggest problem.

A lot of companies will "blame" Covid. Such an opportunity is not often.

[lyamc]

57th place for $119M

Are you retarded? What's the list supposed to tell me?

Company	Gross Revenue [$Billion]	Git Commits	Commits/$Billion
Intel	78.1	100296	1284
Red Hat	0.879	118999	135379
Canonical	0.119	6620	55630

See this table I made? It's garbage because the numbers don't mean anything.

[jo-erlend]

More like
1) If they didn't start Mir and focused on Wayland
2) Continued to advance Unity
3) Switched to systemd right away rather than wasting resources on Upstart.

Mir is a display server, Wayland is a protocol. As a display server, Mir was always intentionally protocol agnostic because they wanted to advance it quickly so you would rely on an API rather than a protocol. Now they have formally chosen Wayland as its protocol and use that directly.

When you say that they should've focused on Wayland instead of Mir, that's like saying Gnome should've focused on Wayland instead of Mutter. It makes no sense.

[jo-erlend]

Oh, please cut the crap with the troll thing.
I can't leave my opinion unless is positive ?
How about leaving people alone to say what they think, good or bad ?

Why do you say that a lot of Debian packages are made by Canonical devs, is there a list anywhere ?

You mean whether or not there is a list of the Debian Developers who are employed by Canonical? I'm not sure there's a list, because why would there be a list? But it's not secret either. There has to be a list of Debian Developers somewhere and Ubuntu Developers can be found on Launchpad.net.

As far as I know Debian has thousands of packages, seems to me that Canonical doesn't have enough developers to handle "a lot" of packages.

Well, how many packages does Ubuntu have?

If it's so good why doesn't the most recommended Linux distro (Mint) doesn't use it and they have their own fork among other DEs ?
Even having desktop shortcuts to most used programs and files is too much for the most used desktop.

Gnome has never supported desktop icons in the shell, but have always let the file manager provide that if necessary. You still get desktop icons if you use a file manager that supports it. But of course, these days, the Linux community has become so obsessed with talking about how bad everything is, they're convincing themselves that nothing is possible at all. In the past, people asked how to do things, now they just claim it's impossible. Who's fault is that?

The kernel management is easy to use, WTF are you talking about ?
Downloading 3-4 .deb files from some website and installing it with something like dpkg -i *.deb is what you call easy ?
Do you think a new comer will know where to download the new kernel from and what command to use to install it or you're talking about using a third party tool like Mainline kernel upgrader ?

I don't know that "third-party" means in the concept of Free Software. But yes, downloading three files and running a simple command to install them, is very easy. I mean, "easy" is a relative term; how do you do it in other systems, like Windows or Mac, for instance? If you want to do low-level OS things like replacing the kernel, I think it's completely reasonable to expect you to learn some operating system basics.

Snap bring a lot of software, again what are you talking about, what can be done with it and could not be done with .deb, .AppImage of Flatpak, really?

Snap allows you to manage your whole OS. Flatpak and Appimage do not. Snap allows you to run a system on a read-only filesystem, which DPKG does not. Snap packages can be installed without the package getting root access to your system, which DPKG doesn't allow. The latter is obviously very important, as it's the main limitations of getting packages packaged. Among other things.