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Originally posted by polarathene View Post
I suppose you can track this issue: https://invent.kde.org/plasma/kwin/-/issues/91
Last activity was May 2022 and it's only a step towards being able to support that.
On the Wayland protocol side of things, `linux-explicit-synchronization-v2`is still actively being discussed/worked on: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayla...ge_requests/90
That was opened back in May 2021, and perhaps it'd help for that to get finalized before compositors progress forward with explicit sync support?
There's also kwinft with the wlroots base which might be another option, but wlroots has not implemented / merged support for either version of that wayland protocol:
This PR implements explicit synchronization. Unlike previous attempts, it uses a timeline abstraction based on drm_syncobj like Vulkan. To inter-operate with other APIs (KMS, EGL, linux-explicit-synchronization-v1),...
Explicit sync on linux in general, there is this comment with two lengthy discussions between Mesa and Nvidia devs I think where there's been pushback about supporting explicit sync, seems there is some progress and that explicit sync is worthwhile, but transition to it with open-source drivers may take years? :\
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Originally posted by caligula View PostYes nice, only 100 more releases with Wayland fixes, maybe it will be usable in the end.
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Originally posted by sophisticles View Post"If you’re ,,, an adventurous user" and "fairly livable", that's the best they can up with to promote their lousy software.
I would say that KDE in general is barely livable, there isn't a single KDE based distro that I have ever tried that I was able to use for even an hour, it is that bad.
I don't know which is worse, KDE or Gnome, how anyone uses either one of those is beyond me.
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Originally posted by polarathene View Post
I suppose you can track this issue: https://invent.kde.org/plasma/kwin/-/issues/91
Last activity was May 2022 and it's only a step towards being able to support that.
Speaking of mutter!1880, it works without explicit sync (there's the corresponding kwin!2425). In general, explicit sync won't really make any practical difference for users who don't happen to use the nvidia driver (which hits visual glitches without explicit sync).
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Originally posted by timofonic View Post
Most Desktop Environments suck to me. KDE, Gnome, even Windows and Mac. They are crappy, faulty, difficult, impossible to customize and more.
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Originally posted by Vistaus View Post
Impossible to customize? What are you talking about? KDE is often criticized *because* it is so customizable. And Windows is pretty customizable too if you use external software like WindowBlinds or ClassicShell. GNOME and macOS I do agree.
Windows is customizable with addons, but makes the system even quite less stable and slower. It's not worth it.
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Originally posted by Smurphy View Post
Looks like your underlying hardware is unstable. Check the memory and disks and of course the power supply.
Yet this same hardware is just fine running Win 7, 8, 8.1, 10, Ghost BSD, really any BSD or Linux based distro that uses XFCE, Mate, Budgie or Gnome, though i have design choice issues with the latter two.
But please, speculate some more.
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Originally posted by mercster View Post
Man, you're such a Linux expert.
I have using Linux for decades and in fact I am posting this from a laptop that is running Ubuntu Mate.
I will put my knowledge of *Nix against most Phoronix members any day of the week.
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