KDE Plasma 6 Has Reached The Point Of Being "Fairly Livable"

[bug77]

Well... Not in Arch's KDE Unstable yet, so I'm going to keep waiting. No rush.

[sophisticles]

"If you’re ,,, an adventurous user" and "fairly livable", that's the best they can up with to promote their lousy software.

I would say that KDE in general is barely livable, there isn't a single KDE based distro that I have ever tried that I was able to use for even an hour, it is that bad.

I don't know which is worse, KDE or Gnome, how anyone uses either one of those is beyond me.

[Nth_man]

"If you’re ,,, an adventurous user" and "fairly livable", that's the best they can up with to promote their lousy software.

It's a work in progress. Some people want to try it (even if it has not been released).

[Adarion]

So we can expect Plasma 6 to be released sometime after Plasma 5.27.10. Ten years after Plasma 5.0.

Sounds like that is a problem.
I think Plasma/KDE5 is pretty okay, so I do not feel that much need for a new version (that might be buggy) already.
Besides, KDE usually follows the Qt development cycle somewhat.

[MorrisS.]

fairly livable 😁... KWIN BASED ON EXPLICIT SYNC IS DEAD OR ALIVE!?

[timofonic]

"If you’re ,,, an adventurous user" and "fairly livable", that's the best they can up with to promote their lousy software.

I would say that KDE in general is barely livable, there isn't a single KDE based distro that I have ever tried that I was able to use for even an hour, it is that bad.

I don't know which is worse, KDE or Gnome, how anyone uses either one of those is beyond me.

Most Desktop Environments suck to me. KDE, Gnome, even Windows and Mac. They are crappy, faulty, difficult, impossible to customize and more.

[polarathene]

fairly livable 😁... KWIN BASED ON EXPLICIT SYNC IS DEAD OR ALIVE!?

I suppose you can track this issue: https://invent.kde.org/plasma/kwin/-/issues/91

Last activity was May 2022 and it's only a step towards being able to support that.

On the Wayland protocol side of things, `linux-explicit-synchronization-v2`is still actively being discussed/worked on: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayla...ge_requests/90

That was opened back in May 2021, and perhaps it'd help for that to get finalized before compositors progress forward with explicit sync support?

There's also kwinft with the wlroots base which might be another option, but wlroots has not implemented / merged support for either version of that wayland protocol:

https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wlroots/wlroots/-/merge_requests/3282

https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wlroots/wlroots/-/merge_requests/3286

Explicit sync on linux in general, there is this comment with two lengthy discussions between Mesa and Nvidia devs I think where there's been pushback about supporting explicit sync, seems there is some progress and that explicit sync is worthwhile, but transition to it with open-source drivers may take years? :\

https://github.com/elFarto/nvidia-vaapi-driver/pull/169#issuecomment-1484134520

[gbcox]

> This would take us into the middle of November. This is most likely the earliest timeframe for a Plasma release,
> and it would require everything to go right, including a huge burst of contributor activity around QA and bugfixing.
> The likelier scenario is a release sometime between this December and March of next year.

Since they don't feel comfortable with making a schedule yet, I would guess the earliest we'll see Plasma 6 would be June 2024. In Fedora
land that would mean it could debut in F41, which would be around end of October, 2024.

[SSJBurger]

Does it really matter in the grand scheme of things? Its not like either has been stagnant as both changed a lot over those version. Gnome particularly is quite different at 3.38 to how it was at 3.0 which is why they switched to just 40 and not doing 4.0.

I just find both their progress impressive and extremely healthy for the Linux community.

[Smurphy]

Yes nice, only 100 more releases with Wayland fixes, maybe it will be usable in the end.

Using Wayland here for 12 months under KDE Neon and plasma 5.27.x - Rock stable to be honest.