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  • Originally posted by lyamc View Post
    The neutral source should have both sides in there so no one has to look elsewhere. The problem is that isn’t happening anymore because financially it is better to post propaganda-style articles to drive clicks and subscriber counts
    What are you talking about? The CDC reports on deaths caused by covid and the vaccine. Again, just focus on the numbers.

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    • Originally posted by schmidtbag View Post
      What are you talking about? The CDC reports on deaths caused by covid and the vaccine. Again, just focus on the numbers.
      Talking about news sources

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      • Originally posted by schmidtbag View Post
        Do you think it makes sense to add another illness that just becomes a commodity of human life indefinitely, except one that is more easily transmissible? We have the ability to prevent that.
        I'm just very skeptical that we can get rid of this eventually. We will not get enough people immunized to catch up with the mutations that are already existing. I think the best outcome we can hope for is that we have a similar situation to the common cold or flu, where your immunity may still be somewhat recognizing the virus as it constantly changes and that just makes another common cold virus out of it.

        Correct me if I'm wrong and there is still a chance to prevent this, but I don't see how.

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        • Originally posted by ZeroPointEnergy View Post
          I'm just very skeptical that we can get rid of this eventually. We will not get enough people immunized to catch up with the mutations that are already existing.
          The only reason to be skeptical is because of how many people refuse to cooperate. As I've said many times, this will all be in vain if the virus gets the chance to mutate to a point where the vaccines fail. But there have been instances in the past of diseases that have been entirely eradicated thanks to global efforts, such as smallpox and rinderpest. And guess what - vaccines played a big role in those. There are other diseases that are so close on their way to extinction that the only reason they still exist is because nobody gives enough attention to impoverished countries. These would be diseases like polio and leprosy (yup, lepers still exist). And then there are diseases where we have the power to eradicate but for whatever reason nobody cares to do so, such as syphilis and measles (which BTW, is making a comeback because of anti-vaxxers).
          I think the best outcome we can hope for is that we have a similar situation to the common cold or flu, where your immunity may still be somewhat recognizing the virus as it constantly changes and that just makes another common cold virus out of it.
          Should enough people refuse to take vaccines, covid will become yet another culprit of the common cold. The only difference is its contagiousness.
          Correct me if I'm wrong and there is still a chance to prevent this, but I don't see how.
          As I say over and over again, forgot what anyone tells you, just look at the numbers. The vaccine is undoubtedly working.

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          Bear in mind too, not everyone needs to be vaccinated. After a certain percentage of the population is vaccinated, the disease doesn't have enough viable hosts to spread to. If people keep wearing masks and social distance until we get to that point, it is reasonable to suggest covid will come to an end. The tricky part is, there are enough people refusing to get vaccinated that we might not ever reach that percentage.
          Last edited by schmidtbag; 15 June 2021, 08:04 AM.

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          • Originally posted by schmidtbag View Post
            The only reason to be skeptical is because of how many people refuse to cooperate. As I've said many times, this will all be in vain if the virus gets the chance to mutate to a point where the vaccines fail. But there have been instances in the past of diseases that have been entirely eradicated thanks to global efforts, such as smallpox and rinderpest. And guess what - vaccines played a big role in those. There are other diseases that are so close on their way to extinction that the only reason they still exist is because nobody gives enough attention to impoverished countries.
            Yes, totally agree. But I just think for Covid, similar to Influenza that chance is already gone. There are a lot of different strains and the immunity is already no longer perfect for people that got previously infected as well as for vaccinated people for certain mutants that already exist. The only positive is that the immunity is not completely gone and you have for example T-cells that still provide a protection. So you can catch and spread a mutant again, but the health risks are extremely lower as you have partial immunity.

            That is why I say that everyone will eventually get Covid. You either take the higher risk of the initial infection or take the vaccine. From that point on you will probably periodically catch it as the different mutants spread around the world.

            We will see.

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            • Originally posted by schmidtbag View Post
              Should enough people refuse to take vaccines, covid will become yet another culprit of the common cold. The only difference is its contagiousness.
              ... and the whole "dying" thing. Lots of people are infected by the common cold every year, and we accept that because it rarely kills them. If the common cold had anything like the 1-2% mortality rate we see with COVID-19 (numbers say 2%, people say 1%) then we would be a lot more likely to wear masks for cold and flu as well.

              Originally posted by schmidtbag View Post
              Bear in mind too, not everyone needs to be vaccinated. After a certain percentage of the population is vaccinated, the disease doesn't have enough viable hosts to spread to. If people keep wearing masks and social distance until we get to that point, it is reasonable to suggest covid will come to an end. The tricky part is, there are enough people refusing to get vaccinated that we might not ever reach that percentage.
              Yep, this is what everyone seems to forget... the answer is not just vaccines or just lockdowns or just distancing or just masks, it's the combination of all the precautions. The problem is that the general public doesn't seem to want to hear anything more complicated than "it's over, do whatever you want" and our leaders are going along with public sentiment (locking down too late and too crudely, opening up too early) because they view pandemics as an election opportunity.

              The problem is that only a sufficiently high percentage of vaccination can provide the kind of "don't worry be happy" solution that the general public wants, but if a sufficiently high percentage of the public does not want to get vaccinated then we have a problem because the same people who don't want to get vaccinated also don't think they should be following other precautions either.

              That said, one pattern I have noticed is that a significant number of non-vaccinated people are in that state because their work & family obligations make it really hard to take time out for vaccination, and that things like non-mandatory workplace vaccination clinics go a long way to solving the problem. The people saying "no" don't necessarily represent all the non-vaccinated people.

              Going back to Phoronix-related topics, why is there not more discussion about the SW stack on these alleged vaccine microchips ? Why do we think Bill Gates is promoting them given that they probably run Linux anyways... or are we thinking "Linux over HyperV" ?

              Do they have wide area networking capability or is the theory that the desired behaviour they are going force on us is already programmed into the microchips ? If we have almost a billion people vaccinated, surely someone would have reverse-engineered them by now, if only enough to run desktop Linux on them.
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              • Originally posted by ZeroPointEnergy View Post
                I'm just very skeptical that we can get rid of this eventually. We will not get enough people immunized to catch up with the mutations that are already existing. I think the best outcome we can hope for is that we have a similar situation to the common cold or flu, where your immunity may still be somewhat recognizing the virus as it constantly changes and that just makes another common cold virus out of it.

                Correct me if I'm wrong and there is still a chance to prevent this, but I don't see how.
                That's been my concern: This one mutates at a relatively high rate, faster then the flu for sure. I'm worried this is basically the new flu, and we're going to have yearly lockdowns going forward.

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                • Originally posted by Gps4life View Post
                  No they don't, covid is spread by aerosols which are so small the mask does not help.
                  I truly wish people would actually take trouble to educate themselves, before trotting out stupid statements like this.

                  Virions are indeed small enough that mask doesn't stop them individually in unattached form (hundred micrometers roughly when it comes to covid) but aerosol or dust particles virions attach to, are large enough for filters to catch.

                  It's been already proved that initial viral load when you get infected does affect the outcome of the illness. When you get hit by less of a viral load, you have higher probabilities of making through because your immune system will not be overloaded as fast, after virus starts replicating itself in your body. Does it make sense or I would have to dumb the idea down even more?

                  Masks differ: I used 3M half-mask (or full-face gas mask in danger zones during the height of the pandemic in my locality) with 3D printed 3M-to-RD40 threading adapters between mask and filters. Filters with RD40 "NATO threading" are quite a bit cheaper than 3M filters and my gas mask uses same. It didn't protect anyone except me due mask having exhalation valve. But it did protect me well as long as I kept changing filters on a regular basis.

                  Surgical cloth masks give some small protection (~50% if lucky) to users and mostly block aersol spread during exhalation/sneezing/coughing for the most part. Surgical masks protect others rather than wearer. There's reason surgeons wear those.

                  Disposable single-use stuff could protect just you or also others depending on whether it has exhalation valve or you exhale through filter. If it has valve it means anything you exhale goes through unfiltered but filters themselves would last longer for it.

                  Scarfs and shit like this has very little effect and it's limited to catching larger aerosol particles, is all. Still better than nothing.

                  For your information: FFP2/3 filters have small static electric charge which does the filtering. Virus/aerosol clings to charged element, it's not just "size of the hole in filters". When that static charge is gone, filter needs replacement. It's still usable as dust filter, dont throw them away.
                  Last edited by aht0; 15 June 2021, 02:56 PM.

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                  • Originally posted by Qaridarium
                    Mask do not work against microwave weapon attacks.... and the microwave weapon attack cause the same symtoms like a flu/corona virus
                    also the microwave weapon attack force the body cells to produce virus like particels this means if you microscope it it looks like virus particles.

                    READ THIS REPORT FOR MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THIS: http://zaprasza.net/files/INVESTIGATIVE-REPORT.pdf
                    It's just pdf-full of bullshit targeted at gullible and stupid.

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                    • Originally posted by aht0 View Post
                      It's just pdf-full of bullshit targeted at gullible and stupid.
                      there are multible sources of the same info...
                      Phantom circuit Sequence Reducer Dyslexia

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