Originally posted by r08z
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Former Linux Developer Hans Reiser To Remain Locked Up
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This nonsense of over-exaggeration by the contemporary SJW/cancel-culture needs to end.
The thing of it is that there is a nearly infinite number nuances in between "He/she/it/they did nothing wrong" and "He/she/it/they did nothing right".
Murder is bad. No one is denying that, no one is diminishing that in any way, shape or form. No one should. He is guilty, he confessed and pleaded guilty. He should be made to serve time for that. And lots of it. I would be fine with him not being paroled in 2023 either. But...
... he did NOT do nothing right.
If we go down the right of simply cancelling someone's effort over one mistake in their life, why not cancel the entire Linux kernel while we're at it? No one here is denying that Linus Torvalds is an asshole if he wants to be. He's shown this time and time again over the years. And I can guarantee that there are people out there that would like to see the Linux kernel cancelled just over that fact alone. But, we should not allow that.
Nor should we allow blanket judgement being passed on Reiser's code and contributions.
If we allow that stance to continue, I can guarantee you now that within 5 years tops, nothing will be allowed anymore. Because no one is entirely innocent. Everyone, at some point in their life, did something to someone out there that, even objectively, was hurtful. Be it emotional, physical, financial or otherwise.
Our entire global society benefits from the current or historical exploitation or abuse of some group or another. Literally, every single human alive today is benefitting from exploitation. Dig deep enough and you will find it. Should we just cancel the species now? No, of course we should not. Let's end the SJW/cancel-culture, here and now. Reiser is where he should be, where he deserves to be. Let's not add insult to injury by dragging what he did into areas that were not relevant to the situation to begin with.
I've got a suggestion that could work -- Let's just rename his work. So no one will be reminded of it. That should be a workable compromise, shouldn't it? It would allow for the technology he developed to remain accessible while also considering the feelings of those he hurt in the process of his heinous act.
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Originally posted by yoshi314 View Post
i do not understand why should we equate both of them.
modern medicine benefits from inhumane research done during the WW2, and nobody bats an eye.Last edited by Vistaus; 22 March 2020, 12:51 PM.
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It was pretty much to be expected that he'd be out sometime soon considering the prosecutors would have had to go to trial without a body and a whole lot of non-conclusive evidence had he not made a plea deal where he told them where he buried his ex wife's body. I kind of forgot it was that long ago and seeing the year my first thought was one of "So how is he not out yet?".
Looked up the sentencing guidelines in California and it sounds to me like he wasn't a very good negotiator or had Lionel Hutz as his lawyer. Absolute worst he could have gotten is first degree murder that carries a 25 to life sentence and that would have come with a non-insignificant chance of being found not guilty due to a conviction requiring proof beyond reasonable doubt. What he negotiated it down to by providing the location of the body and actually giving them a solid case was only one step down to second degree murder and 15 to life.
Maybe I've got a skewed perspective seeing celebrities and other rich people get huge reductions in sentences by negotiating these sorts of things, but I expected him to be have been able to negotiate down to third degree murder a.k.a manslaughter. That apparently only carries a maximum sentence of 11 years.
Oh and before anyone starts moaning about me being too lenient I will point out that as a first time offender, here in Finland he would have been out by now. Unlike in the U.S and its' downright barbaric prison system our prison system is less about just plain punishment and more about rehabilitation."Why should I want to make anything up? Life's bad enough as it is without wanting to invent any more of it."
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Originally posted by TemplarGR View PostAnd he is paying for his crime. This does not mean that he shouldn't be given a chance to redeem himself for the rest of his life.
(*) Some will add in profit motive, as both for profit private facilities, and prison work requirements, can be profitable to some companies and some states.
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Originally posted by L_A_G View PostIt was pretty much to be expected that he'd be out sometime soon considering the prosecutors would have had to go to trial without a body and a whole lot of non-conclusive evidence
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Originally posted by Vistaus View PostIf 15 years wasn't enough, then the judge has made a terrible mistake by only sentencing him to 15 years minimum.
EDIT: I responded without reading CommunityMember 's posts, which basically agree with mine.
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