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  • #51
    Originally posted by cyclistefou View Post

    Thank you for shedding some truth. I would add on my side, that the debate is then open, on the guilt borne by those who commit the atrocity of killing an unborn. Just like in Nazi Germany, where it was said to be a good act to harm Jews, in our post-Nazi society it is said to be a good thing to be pro-choice. The frame of reference is so skewed that people acting in it are having wrong inputs to take decision - it still takes willfully putting one's head into the sand to deny that an unborn is alive, but the society kinda helps with it, saying this is pro-womens-rights, "my body my choice", etc. Just like german propaganda was depicting how the Jews were bad to Germany (and the world) and how it was a good act to harm them.

    One difference being that, the Jews that were killed were born and grown, whereas there is this emotional disconnect with a foetus still in the womb - nobody has really interacted, e.g. played with her or him face to face yet, so until it is born, it is less inconceivable (still inconceivable to me though) to downplay the value of the foetus.
    I think I must have registered to the wrong forum. I was quite sure this was a forum focusing on the technical aspects of Linux. But it seems it isn't. A thread on Hans Reiser, ResiserFS etc shouldn't diverge on the personal views on abortion.

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    • #52
      Originally posted by zyxxel View Post

      I think I must have registered to the wrong forum. I was quite sure this was a forum focusing on the technical aspects of Linux. But it seems it isn't. A thread on Hans Reiser, ResiserFS etc shouldn't diverge on the personal views on abortion.
      You must be new here... EVERY forum topic devolves into something else here.

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      • #53
        The IT community is weird, the kernel devs will decide for themselves if they choose to work with someone who extinguished the life of an innocent woman.
        I highly doubt Torvalds or most of the kernel devs will. A lot of people whine about "the prison system punishes, so it should be bygones" but society punishes as well. It's not unethical, it's fair, because adults choose their co-workers and I think he'll find it difficult to get accepted by the kernel community.

        Wow this mf is beyond weird
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa3SbqPv-Ms
        Last edited by AdamOne; 03-23-2020, 04:14 PM.

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        • #54
          Originally posted by AdamOne View Post
          The IT community is weird, the kernel devs will decide for themselves if they choose to work with someone who extinguished the life of an innocent woman.
          If it is not that, then it is something else.

          Did the americans shun Wernher von Braun for the lives lost not only due to the V2 rocket, but also while creating it? Would mankind have landed on the moon if they had the attitude of the "IT Community"? Think not.

          Stop pissing about. Sure Reiser did a horrible thing... that does not mean "anything he contributed should be removed". Fuck, we would all live in caves marveling at the creation of a bonfire if we (mankind) had done that throughout history.

          Another great example of stupidity would be Alan Turing. By many considered the "father of computers and ai", but what happened to him? Cracked the enigma code, and provided the foundation for computers, only to suicide cos he was a convicted homosexual and forced to undergo chemical castration. What if that had not happened? Seen in retrospect, would you guys say it was a BENEFIT this happened, or do you think we could have been further in technological development if it had happened with todays attitude towards homosexuality? "Burn his work, so we dont all turn into deviants!". Jeez.. like fondling a dick on his spare time would have ANYTHING to do with what he created...

          I am not saying "just wait until murder is legal" ofc, but the comparison is there. Do not let a unrelated action fuck up a contribution. I liked the idea posted a few posts back - rename the project, keep the code. Dont let good things go to waste because of human actions that are completely unrelated to it.

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          • #55
            Originally posted by AdamOne View Post
            The IT community is weird, the kernel devs will decide for themselves if they choose to work with someone who extinguished the life of an innocent woman.
            That is their prerogative and, honestly, I personally would feel uncomfortable as well working with the likes of Hans Reiser. However, this still does nothing to invalidate his contributions to the kernel.

            Nothing whatsoever. And it never will.

            Yet, the code is still being shunned as if it committed the act.

            With the tens of thousands of people that have contributed at least some code to the kernel over the years, I can guarantee you that there probably are more than a few dubious characters out there that did contribute code. Ranging from, most likely, more than just a single murderer to people engaging in sexual predation, battery, domestic violence, etc, etc, etc. I can absolutely guarantee that. Now, if people were to realize that statistical inevitability, I suppose we should just dump all that code?

            The cost to redevelop the kernel from scratch... is currently estimated to be in the range of 14+ billion USD.

            Yes, all this comes into play when considering matters like these. People find it so easy to just pass blanket judgement on everything someone has done without ever considering the consequences of doing so. Hans Reiser is a piece of shit for murdering his wife -- his code has nothing to do with that though. It never did, it never will and the fact it is even a topic of debate among the kernel developers to exlude his work solely over the fact he did murder his wife is a disgrace to software development as a whole.

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            • #56
              Originally posted by cb88 View Post

              You must be new here... EVERY forum topic devolves into something else here.
              Sounds like moderation isn't working properly then. A professional forum that allows the threads to deteriorate into unprofessional comments is just an unprofessional forum, where the professionals bails the ship.

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              • #57
                Originally posted by zyxxel View Post

                Sounds like moderation isn't working properly then. A professional forum that allows the threads to deteriorate into unprofessional comments is just an unprofessional forum, where the professionals bails the ship.
                There is little to no moderation here outside of the occasional ban and everyone blocking Quaridariaum on whatever his name is because he's annoying a heck. You must be pretty swift to have picked up on that!

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                • #58
                  Originally posted by DoMiNeLa10 View Post
                  [...] Since a fetus is a part of woman's body, bodily autonomy should apply, and she should have every right to remove that part of her body for whatever reason she wants.
                  Since the Earth is flat, since a circle has 4 edges, since a fetus is part of woman's body, since best houses are built with cow milk butter... well with implications like that as the basis of an argument, you can justify anything.

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                  • #59
                    I'm still scratching my head trying to figure out where anyone even suggested that Hans not be allowed to contribute to the Linux kernel or anything else once he fulfills his sentencing requirements. It seems like a strawman army has been set up in this thread so people can whine about ethics, SJW's, "cancel culture", or whatever else is on their political agenda. Give it a rest..

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                    • #60
                      Originally posted by cb88 View Post
                      There is little to no moderation here outside of the occasional ban
                      ... which is a good thing, IMO.

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