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Ubuntu 20.04 Gaming Performance Across Desktops, X.Org vs. Wayland
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Originally posted by Britoid View Post
90% of the applications I use already run under Wayland, with the remaining being games and Electron. So look forward to X-on-demand.
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Originally posted by mppix View Post
I don't use OBS so I cannot comment on the status on this but
https://feaneron.com/2019/11/21/scre...io-on-wayland/
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Originally posted by birdie View PostOnce NVIDIA realize Wayland is ready they will most likely change their stance about it. They are a commercial company not in a business of supporting experiments.
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Originally posted by ColdDistance View PostYes, the Flatpak version (no official) of OBS has a plugin to record from Wayland, but it crashes on Fedora 32 and on Debian Bullseye doesn't work.
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Originally posted by ColdDistance View PostSo the reason why NVIDIA preferred to use EGLStreams instead of GBM is because it's a commercial business and Intel and AMD are NGOs. Fuck yeah.
In reality given NVIDIA's user base size, which is large than AMD's at least, position various wayland compositor's developers to ignore that is just obtuse.
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Originally posted by blacknova View Post
No NVIDIA preferred to use EGLStreams because it have been implemented before GBM and for now they see no point in implementing GBM.
In reality given NVIDIA's user base size, which is large than AMD's at least, position various wayland compositor's developers to ignore that is just obtuse.
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Originally posted by birdie View Post
No one is arguing about that. What people are arguing about is that such bugs still exist in 2020. And they are not the only ones. People often report rendering issues for Firefox under Wayland and other niceties. You'd think in 12 years they could have ironed that all out but here we are.
Anyhow, I'd just like to let you know that I appreciate how much you seem to care about the development - I'm afraid though the energy would be wiser spent being constructive on Wayland shortcomings (you name a few - but hey, what about helping addressing them?). All shareholders appear to be very clear about that there's no going back to X11 - we can just discuss how to continue with Wayland (or some other protocol, but AFAIK there's nothing known that can't be done with Wayland - just things that e.g. compositor devs want to be done differently and therefore don't put into Wayland protocols). Yes of course people can stick to X11 - but there's just too many things that can't be fixed or done there. So things will simply fall apart sooner or later there.
Originally posted by blacknova View Post
No NVIDIA preferred to use EGLStreams because it have been implemented before GBM and for now they see no point in implementing GBM.
In reality given NVIDIA's user base size, which is large than AMD's at least, position various wayland compositor's developers to ignore that is just obtuse.
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Originally posted by Britoid View Post
That's not how things work... I remember reading that Nvidia can't implement GBM because they'd have to use GPL symbols on their kernel driver.
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Originally posted by oiaohm View Post
Yes it is that you still have conformational bias.
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Just go and look at portal. Now we have games that the best option to play them is Wayland not X11 as well.
Total crap. Portal and other examples like it where Wayland beats Xorg are turn up more and more often now. X11 xorg on bare metal is coming the best case less than 40 percent of the time.
The X11 performance issues are not fixable they are in the base protocol so where wayland starts winning there is no coming back for X11.
Really birdie if you drop your conformational bias for one min and go and look at the numbers carefully. Other than the 2 examples that are really horrible for wayland all the other benchmarks are in wayland favour. So is X11 x.org server working fine for most people any more the answer like it or not is coming no.
Yes doing the ton of work to make Wayland work well at KDE and Gnome as resulted in Xfce and IceWM general performance advantage going by by even in X11 mode.
Performance optimisation takes a ton of work either way.
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