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  • #91
    Originally posted by dimko
    Where civilized countries were when Yugoslavia was bombed?
    I can only tell the world was less global those days. Our family didn't travel by plane (we didn't even have passports or international credit cards). I didn't have internet access at home in 1990s. Newspapers didn't write much about foreign politics. The regional newspaper had like 1-2 pages worth of content about the state of the whole world. Now compare that to 2022. I can't easily find any place where the (social) media doesn't cover this topic. Even when browsing porn or cat pictures, you'll encounter pics of slaughtered people, explosions, and tanks. Kids who just started going to school last fall wonder if the bodies in Tiktok videos are really dead.

    Or Obhasians were genocided by Georgians? Or when Afghanistan was fucked."weapon of mass destruction". Why no one was suggesting to cut off America or UK off the internet, banking systems, etc etc? Stop being self righteous. I am sick of that.
    Let's be honest, most people consider those to be ultimate shit hole countries. Low GDP, you rarely see tourism originating from those countries, the people look ugly and poor, don't have cell phones or computers. Really hard to relate to anyone living on the other side of the globe. Due to all these conflicts it's not even safe to travel there. I could imagine Georgia attending the Eurovision song contest, but I don't watch television, barely know some ABBAs songs from 1970s.

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    • #92
      Originally posted by dimko View Post
      So where was your support of Russia when they saved Obhasia from genocide? Russia came, kicked ass of Georgia, did not annex a shit, left and Obhasians thanked them for it. But all US and EU were chewing Russia for breakfast for it.
      They just took the messaging from NATO's actions against Serbia and superimposed it on Georgia. That doesn't make it true.

      As for why they didn't manufacture an independence referendum, like they did in Crimea, I guess they hadn't yet become so bold.

      Originally posted by dimko View Post
      "Afghanistan was invaded because the Taliban allowed al-Qaeda to shelter/train there. It was a direct response to 9/11" so were Saudis, and yet their assholes have not lost any hair?
      Yes, Saudi Arabia has extremists, but that is a problem they "manage". The US has relations with Saudi Arabia going back a long ways, and I suppose the judgment was that the Saudi's were better-positioned to manage their own extremists, whereas if the US tried to do anything, it would create blow-back far worse than the original problem. At least, that's my read on the situation.

      I can't really defend the US relationship with Saudi Arabia, to be honest. It's always been problematic, even long before MBS.

      IMO, the best way to deal with the Saudi's is the same as how we should deal with Putin and climate change, and that's to transition off fossil fuels as fast as absolutely possible. These petty tyrants are nothing without their extractive industries. Oil wealth is what lets them punch above their weight.

      Originally posted by dimko View Post
      Hope war will be fast so People of Ukraine and Russia can have some semblance of normality.
      If you truly wish the best for Ukrainians, then hope for a ceasefire. Otherwise, there won't be much left of Ukraine.

      Originally posted by dimko View Post
      "The coalition of the willing (not NATO, btw, don't get it wrong)" - i have gang of 10 people. We all 10 agreed, one of us gets kicked we all fight back. Now 3 of us attractively kick neighbour's ass cause we can. We have our own gang of 3. But it doesn't stop us from being gang of defensive 10. So we pass by home of another neighbor. We are Looking at it. At him. We know we will visit home soon. So does he. Let him attack us 3. I dare him.
      Did NATO get involved in any of Turkey's conflicts? No. So, it's not that automatic.

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      • #93
        Originally posted by caligula View Post
        I can only tell the world was less global those days. Our family didn't travel by plane (we didn't even have passports or international credit cards). I didn't have internet access at home in 1990s. Newspapers didn't write much about foreign politics. The regional newspaper had like 1-2 pages worth of content about the state of the whole world. Now compare that to 2022. I can't easily find any place where the (social) media doesn't cover this topic. Even when browsing porn or cat pictures, you'll encounter pics of slaughtered people, explosions, and tanks. Kids who just started going to school last fall wonder if the bodies in Tiktok videos are really dead.


        Let's be honest, most people consider those to be ultimate shit hole countries. Low GDP, you rarely see tourism originating from those countries, the people look ugly and poor, don't have cell phones or computers. Really hard to relate to anyone living on the other side of the globe. Due to all these conflicts it's not even safe to travel there. I could imagine Georgia attending the Eurovision song contest, but I don't watch television, barely know some ABBAs songs from 1970s.
        So lets bomb people from amazonia?
        Listen i bnelieve peopel in this forum are good folks, i honestly do, but as being mostly Ukranian/Russian i see things from perspective of Russian who grew up and matured outside of Russia. lets jsut say, i dont like this war. hate it every day. But i understand WHY it happened. I dont justify Putin but i am tired of self righteousness sand bullshit from west.

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        • #94
          Originally posted by tuxd3v View Post
          This may very well can be the end of open-source as we know it..
          It won't, but I have wondered about whether people would start trying to block China from other open source projects. That'll just mean they fork off in their own direction.

          That's why I wouldn't support generic action against Russian or Chinese contributors. That this specific issue involves Russian military-oriented tech makes it hopefully something of a special case. Otherwise, we could indeed have more balkanization of the software ecosystem (to use a somewhat apt analogy).

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          • #95
            Originally posted by coder View Post
            In the 19th and 20th Centuries, there were examples of this throughout the colonized world. There will always be some who, for various reasons, are willing to fight for their foreign occupiers. It doesn't mean the occupation is legitimate or just.
            I can only assume, but you were not in the "occupied" Crimea, and expresses your point of view only on the basis of information from the source you trust.

            Tell me, honestly, should the occupiers build houses? Should bridges be built? Should new roads be built? Builds of an electrical station in these occupied territories? Create an infrastructure for people who have been "occupied"? Do you have the opportunity to compare, based on your experience, how it was before the occupation and how it became after? Did you personally communicate with people before the occupation and the territory and after? Or are you impressed only from your trusted sources of information?

            I really hope that you deeply studied the issue before drawing any conclusions.

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            • #96
              Originally posted by dimko View Post
              And there are examples of EU and US calling people who fight for independence, who are not convenient to them, separatists, and who convenient, freedom fighters.
              I think the difference has a lot to do with the government in question. If it's democratically-elected and not perpetrating crimes against humanity, then they're likely to be seen as separatists, not freedom fighters.

              Originally posted by dimko View Post
              Point is, learn about history of ukrain from perspective of Russian Ukrainian, or better yet, from some one from Crimea. You will have some food for thoughts.
              I know a Russian-speaking guy from Odessa and I worked with another (but forget what part he's from). You think there aren't Ukrainians everywhere?

              For that matter, I work/worked with about a dozen Russian ex-pats.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by dimko View Post
                But i understand WHY it happened.
                I think we all do.

                Originally posted by dimko View Post
                I dont justify Putin but i am tired of self righteousness sand bullshit from west.
                That's what they want. Label everyone else as hypocrites and then Putin can get away with whatever he wants.

                I mean, what's the alternative? Just have nobody say or do anything? You're not being realistic. Nobody in Europe wants this, not least because they see themselves somewhere further down the menu.

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by Danny3 View Post
                  Good!
                  Just stop supporting any Russia based project!
                  They chose to put a bad person as president and allowed him to invade another country and kill a lot of innocent people.
                  Fuck Russia's war!
                  Limiting this to Russia is somewhat double standards. Should be for every country. And who's "bad" should be decided by the United Nations General Assembly.

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by tuxd3v
                    For what I understand they are not being rained, because Russian troops are not there to kill civilians.
                    Russian troops went there to kill nazis( only the nazis..not civilians ).
                    That's a fictional distinction. When everybody is trying to defend their home from an invading army, they all become the enemy.

                    Originally posted by tuxd3v
                    But this conflict is majority created by the neo-Nazis groups, and that's why Russia only want to target them.
                    Russia is not interested in attack peaceful people in Ukraine..
                    That's 100% not what's happening. Russia is intent on conquering it. All of it.

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                    • Originally posted by coder View Post
                      They just took the messaging from NATO's actions against Serbia and superimposed it on Georgia. That doesn't make it true.

                      As for why they didn't manufacture an independence referendum, like they did in Crimea, I guess they hadn't yet become so bold.


                      Yes, Saudi Arabia has extremists, but that is a problem they "manage". The US has relations with Saudi Arabia going back a long ways, and I suppose the judgment was that the Saudi's were better-positioned to manage their own extremists, whereas if the US tried to do anything, it would create blow-back far worse than the original problem. At least, that's my read on the situation.

                      I can't really defend the US relationship with Saudi Arabia, to be honest. It's always been problematic, even long before MBS.

                      IMO, the best way to deal with the Saudi's is the same as how we should deal with Putin and climate change, and that's to transition off fossil fuels as fast as absolutely possible. These petty tyrants are nothing without their extractive industries. Oil wealth is what lets them punch above their weight.


                      If you truly wish the best for Ukrainians, then hope for a ceasefire. Otherwise, there won't be much left of Ukraine.


                      Did NATO get involved in any of Turkey's conflicts? No. So, it's not that automatic.
                      "As for why they didn't manufacture an independence referendum, like they did in Crimea, I guess they hadn't yet become so bold." -why not do it after or before Crimea. Abhazia is smaller, would be good testing ground.
                      "that's my read on the situation." -its correct. But you still went for sovereign country. How is russia different in this regards? Now two wrongs don't make it right, but one of my points, every time US fucks someone in middle east or someone friendly to Russia, what are they supposed to think? That their turn is not coming?

                      Ukrain will not be hard fucked by Russians. You don't fight to kill your younger smaller brother, even if he is stubborn one. Imagine Modern war between US and Canada. There will be minimal amount of atrocities and civilian deaths. (albeit you have to remember, this is not enclave of sheep hurders Russia fights, they fight more or less modern educated army, so shit will unavoidably happen)

                      I only hope that there can be diplomatic resolution before conclusion of this war. Russia wont hold Ukraine. That much i know. Partizans have good history in both countries since second world war.


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