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  • #51
    Originally posted by pal666 View Post
    using nerve agents, shoot down airliners, bombard schools, hospitals and red cross convoys, raze whole cities and just killing people without count. i wonder why nobody loves russians, they even change uniform before committing crimes
    None of these accusations of recent alleged events have been proved - just thrown around in talk-back radio Murdoch media and lapped up by half-wits.

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    • #52
      Originally posted by gamerk2 View Post

      First off, the US has no Liberal party. The US Democratic Party would be considered conservative by European standards.

      Thirdly, the Second Amendment protects the rights of State Militia's. It was passed after the US Constitution was adopted; Madison and Company were terrified the US Army (which didn't exist under the Articles of Confederation) would impose it's will by disarming the State Militia groups, as England tried to do during the Revolution. The Second Amendment simply states that the US Federal Government can not forcibly disarm state militia groups. It's people like you who can't read or understand context that stretch the amendment beyond what it is intended to cover.
      The US demcratic party is clearly leftist. Redistribution of weath (at their terms), push for collectivised health care, disarming individual citizens. The list is long on the vast overreach these guys push (the republicans as a party are barely better).

      The bill of rights was added to the constitution to protect individual freedoms due to the protests of the anti federalists who were very worried about government abusing individuals and individual rights. So 9 of those 10 recognized (NOT GRANTED) rights are individual and one isn't? Also at the time of the writing of the constitution the militia included everyone in society!

      Belittling others who aren't twisting history won't win you points with anyone.

      Also hasn't Russia greatly loosed gun restrictions considering their tightly controlled society has one of the highest murder rates in the world???

      Many of us consider that having a good ability to protect ourselves from others and if necessary the government to be unaliable rights not open to discussion as God has given each person the individual responsibility to protect themselves. The only places you find where governments murder their citizens wholesale are in disarmed societies. I don't believe there are any cases of wholly armed societies being massacred by their own governments and the US currently barely registers in the world for murder rate even though we by and large have perhaps the highest gun rates ownership in the world.

      Just to play tit for tat I'll ask why you so much hate the women, disabled, the elderly and the poor that you would deny them very reasonable self defense by denying them their God given rights or by making these items so expensive that only the rich can afford them or politicians (who attend anti gun rallies surrounded by armed security guards)?

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      • #53
        Originally posted by leipero View Post

        While you are factually correct, I'm amazed how your comment and the comment of pal666 passed with obvious intent of flaming, while mine much more polite comment got stuck. Oh well, never let software do the job of a human .
        Nope, don't let the property software do the job as they creators intended. Open Source is cure for all illness from design ones, functional one to security and bug hunting and optimising. Same thing goes for both software and hardware.

        Best regards.

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        • #54
          Originally posted by unixfan2001 View Post

          1. Russians aren't a fucking race! No matter what Putin would like to believe (his delusions of the Russian Master Race are probably as strong as Hitler's about the German Master Race).
          2. Strangely, Russian "private citizens" seem to do a lot of things no private citizen in the western world would ever do. Like attacking an army compound in Syria, with helicopters and armed vehicles...
          As an true & proven national idealist that you are with this sole statement I advise you to take a trip to Hawai & take a good look how modern concentration camps look alike this day's so that you know where you might end up tomorrow as simple the less fortunate one.
          US trained & armed local groups all around the world for last 40 years as it fitted their way. Did they know those people are fanatics ideological or religious (non cultural)? Sure. Did they know that what those groups are doing can only be considered as acts of terrorism? Sure but they represented them & still are representing them as people with true cause & freedom fighters. That is until it boomerangs back to US and against their causes. Then those are terrorists ringing on all bells. So Islamic fundamental extremists in Bosnia were not terrorists when US trained them & now afterwards when they joined ISIL and various other similar groups they are a threat for hole world. So not only that US actually sponsored terrorist groups it also financial benefits from them as in late 80's when they used similar groups to ensure trafficking of quality Colombian products into us making it available & affordable for American kids. The list of all horrible wrong things US did is so long that if described it would be bigger in it's contain than Ramayana.

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          • #55
            Originally posted by Zola View Post

            Nope, don't let the property software do the job as they creators intended. Open Source is cure for all illness from design ones, functional one to security and bug hunting and optimising. Same thing goes for both software and hardware.

            Best regards.
            I seriously doubt when comment is stuck that's the proprietary software fault, it is software in general that seeks patterns without human capacity of concept/context to make decision and often makes the wrong ones .

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            • #56
              Originally posted by leipero View Post

              I seriously doubt when comment is stuck that's the proprietary software fault, it is software in general that seeks patterns without human capacity of concept/context to make decision and often makes the wrong ones .
              As people write software all mistakes are still human, human capacity is paint by number & capability If something is available public number of participants will increase significantly & true time so will their capabilities.
              Formal logic still makes world go around, problem is we stop thinking it long time ago.

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              • #57
                Originally posted by Zola View Post
                As an true & proven national idealist that you are with this sole statement I advise you to take a trip to Hawai & take a good look how modern concentration camps look alike this day's so that you know where you might end up tomorrow as simple the less fortunate one.
                US trained & armed local groups all around the world for last 40 years as it fitted their way. Did they know those people are fanatics ideological or religious (non cultural)? Sure. Did they know that what those groups are doing can only be considered as acts of terrorism? Sure but they represented them & still are representing them as people with true cause & freedom fighters. That is until it boomerangs back to US and against their causes. Then those are terrorists ringing on all bells. So Islamic fundamental extremists in Bosnia were not terrorists when US trained them & now afterwards when they joined ISIL and various other similar groups they are a threat for hole world. So not only that US actually sponsored terrorist groups it also financial benefits from them as in late 80's when they used similar groups to ensure trafficking of quality Colombian products into us making it available & affordable for American kids. The list of all horrible wrong things US did is so long that if described it would be bigger in it's contain than Ramayana.
                Kudos for one great example of "Whataboutism"!

                Russia can't be evil because "America".

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                • #58
                  Originally posted by unixfan2001 View Post

                  Kudos for one great example of "Whataboutism"!

                  Russia can't be evil because "America".
                  I never mentioned "Russia" in any manner & I don't intend nor ment on American people. The examples I used are all very good known globally and confirmed by US government officially.

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                  • #59

                    Originally posted by gamerk2 View Post
                    First off, the US has no Liberal party. The US Democratic Party would be considered conservative by European standards.

                    Secondly, there has been no effort by Democrats to curtail freedom of speech. I don't even know how to respond to that one.

                    Thirdly, the Second Amendment protects the rights of State Militia's. It was passed after the US Constitution was adopted;
                    I'm not from the US but what you write doesn't look correct to me.
                    The mainstream political spectrum in the US is between conservative and liberal, with one party leaning more to the conservative side and the other to the liberal. What would be center-left in Europe is called ultra-liberal in the US. Calling someone a "socialist" is an insult.
                    And whether Europeans somehow get to define what a liberal is I don't know. After all, when the US was founded, most of Europe was still ruled by absolutist feudal lords and theocracies.

                    Secondly the movement against freedom of speech is not the Democratic Party (and I don't know who claimed this). It happens however in places where liberals run the show, especially in academia.

                    Thirdly, I think various courts have ruled that the right to bear arms applies to individuals.

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                    • #60
                      Originally posted by Zola View Post

                      As people write software all mistakes are still human, human capacity is paint by number & capability If something is available public number of participants will increase significantly & true time so will their capabilities.
                      Formal logic still makes world go around, problem is we stop thinking it long time ago.
                      True, but I wasn't talking about mistakes, but about limitations of the software, based on limitations of hardware. The posibility of creating software that can analyze one post in context and intent behind that post as human can requires software that have unlimited access to all possible scenarios/viewpoints and ability to assume viewpoint when there's no access for it based on historical interactions, what we humans call "experience", is quite small, and that type of software as of now does not exist. So I was pointing out at that, not at mistakes of the software.

                      For sure, some would argue that "A.I." should be perfectly capable of such tasks, but without going deeper off topic (since we are already, and big proportion of the thread), I can say I disagree with those people, and my view is that A.I. is scientifically impossible, one of simple "arguments" to argue such position would be that nature (or Universe) already came up with much more efficient and better things to what humans created, in fact humans tend to replicate already known natural events to their advantage (if any).

                      In short, for such task you would need what someone calls "strong A.I." not "weak A.I." (such as all "A.I." projects from Google, Amazon or any project on planet).

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