Debian Trying Out Xfce Over GNOME By Default

[Ibidem]

xfce slow ?

Absolutely--if you're used to icewm, and running stuff on a 800 MHz - 1.6 GHz laptop with a 5400RPM hard drive and 1 gig of ram...
I'm accustomed to workspace and window switches and firing up a new terminal being instant, not taking a couple seconds.

you mean the GNU image manipulation tool, the gtk GNU parted frontend and the GNUmeric suite ?

I said distantly related, didn't I?
But anyhow: GIMP you're right.
gParted is the Gnome Partition Editor (http://gparted.sourceforge.net/faq.php#faq-1)
If you look at the URL of the Gnumeric homepage, you would see how far off you are there: https://projects.gnome.org/gnumeric/

[duby229]

http://gentooexperimental.org/~patrick/weblog/archives/2013-10.html#e2013-10-29T13_39_32.txt

https://plus.google.com/115547683951727699051/posts/8RmiAQsW9qf

This is exactly why systemd is required to make logind supportable. LP clearly wishes it to be that way and is doing everything in his power to make it that way.

[Awesomeness]

Will you please stop spewing that crap. Consolekit is dead. Nobody is maintaining it. It -isnt- an option. Those distributions that are trying to make it an option are dead wrong.

Xfce depends on both ConsoleKit http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-session/advanced and GTK 2 - two dead technologies. Or doesn't ConsoleKit being dead not count when it comes to Xfce?

[gens]

Absolutely--if you're used to icewm, and running stuff on a 800 MHz - 1.6 GHz laptop with a 5400RPM hard drive and 1 gig of ram...
I'm accustomed to workspace and window switches and firing up a new terminal being instant, not taking a couple seconds.



I said distantly related, didn't I?
But anyhow: GIMP you're right.
gParted is the Gnome Partition Editor (http://gparted.sourceforge.net/faq.php#faq-1)
If you look at the URL of the Gnumeric homepage, you would see how far off you are there: https://projects.gnome.org/gnumeric/

just switch to xterm
its fast enough
or st

gParted is a GUI frontend to GNU parted
gnumeric i actually never cared as there is libreoffice, but ok

[duby229]

Xfce depends on both ConsoleKit http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-session/advanced and GTK 2 - two dead technologies. Or doesn't ConsoleKit being dead not count when it comes to Xfce?

gtk2 is something entirely different. At least is is supportable. consolekit isnt supportable at all. xfce will eventually have to do something about that.

[stqn]

Absolutely--if you're used to icewm, and running stuff on a 800 MHz - 1.6 GHz laptop with a 5400RPM hard drive and 1 gig of ram...
I'm accustomed to workspace and window switches and firing up a new terminal being instant, not taking a couple seconds.

I have Xubuntu on an Atom N270 netbook and switching windows or workspaces is instantaneous, while opening a terminal takes maybe half a second (with compositing enabled). I suppose if it takes a couple seconds on your computer it’s because the operation involves swap access, but Xfce doesn’t use that much RAM…
(The only comparison I found says that Xfce uses 53 more MB than Icewm.)

Also, in reply to other posts, Xfce does in fact not depend on consolekit.

[JS987]

Xfce depends on both ConsoleKit http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-session/advanced and GTK 2 - two dead technologies. Or doesn't ConsoleKit being dead not count when it comes to Xfce?

GTK 3.x has intentionally unstable API which would often break Xfce themes.

http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=7598

[duby229]

http://gentooexperimental.org/~patri...9T13_39_32.txt

https://plus.google.com/115547683951727699051/posts/8RmiAQsW9qf

This is exactly why systemd is required to make logind supportable. LP clearly wishes it to be that way and is doing everything in his power to make it that way.

I like how when I posted links to the horses mouth, the guys that were trying to argue against me suddenly disappeared..... very interesting.....

[RahulSundaram]

I would expect a project like Gnome to make at least a little bit of research before using an external dependency. Logind was never one of those parts of systemd that were marked to be usable outside systemd, so it was to expect that hard dependencies on systemd may happen at any time. The "but we didn't know" excuse is not valid here.

Err. I am not saying they didn't know. I am not saying there is no currently maintained alternative to logind. Isn't that simple enough to understand?

[RahulSundaram]

Err. I am not saying they didn't know. I am not saying there is no currently maintained alternative to logind. Isn't that simple enough to understand?

Correction for a double negation: I am saying there is no currently maintained alternative to logind.

To expand on that, GNOME uses the D-Bus interface exposed by logind instead of a directly dependency on logind itself. So an alternative implementation is possible but none exists at this point. So unless someone steps up to do that, GNOME has no real choice. It is only a matter of time before Xfce etc start using logind as well. If you don't like that, develop an alternative implementation. Merely whining about it here changes nothing.