APT 2.9 Released: Debian's APT 3.0 To Have A New UI With Colors, Columnar Display & More

[Vistaus]

Not such fundamental ones.

That's incorrect.

[Artim]

That's incorrect.

You may try to prove that highly questionable statement, but I don't know any distro that uses apt as package manager where you could choose not to update to a newer apt version. Sure, you can stay on Ubuntu LTS and even Debian has some long term support, but eventually you don't have any other choice than to update because of dependencies.

[novideo]

You may try to prove that highly questionable statement, but I don't know any distro that uses apt as package manager where you could choose not to update to a newer apt version. Sure, you can stay on Ubuntu LTS and even Debian has some long term support, but eventually you don't have any other choice than to update because of dependencies.

Ok imma test this, gonna apt-mark hold apt and see how long it takes.

[Artim]

Ok imma test this, gonna apt-mark hold apt and see how long it takes.

Or if you had any idea how Debian based distros worked, you'd just look through reverse dependencies. There you'd see that there are a lot of packages depending on apt in some form. And not always will they accept any version of it. So good luck with the next OS upgrade without breaking everything.

[Vistaus]

You may try to prove that highly questionable statement, but I don't know any distro that uses apt as package manager where you could choose not to update to a newer apt version. Sure, you can stay on Ubuntu LTS and even Debian has some long term support, but eventually you don't have any other choice than to update because of dependencies.

Eh, I'm on Debian with Apt 2.6 and it has withstood the upgrades to 2.7, 2.8 and 2.9 so far. And it's still rock solid.

And it's the same on Deepin V23, which is in its testing phase and built on top of Debian: 2.6 is default after install from the testing ISO, but you can upgrade to 2.7 or 2.8. I have not done that and the system is still upgrading and rock solid.

[Artim]

Eh, I'm on Debian with Apt 2.6 and it has withstood the upgrades to 2.7, 2.8 and 2.9 so far. And it's still rock solid.

And it's the same on Deepin V23, which is in its testing phase and built on top of Debian: 2.6 is default after install from the testing ISO, but you can upgrade to 2.7 or 2.8. I have not done that and the system is still upgrading and rock solid.

Then read back about what was written. At no point it was about apt updates failing in proper usage scenarios. But if you pin your apt version not to receive v3.0, your system will eventually either break or refuse the upgrade altogether.

[Vistaus]

Then read back about what was written. At no point it was about apt updates failing in proper usage scenarios. But if you pin your apt version not to receive v3.0, your system will eventually either break or refuse the upgrade altogether.

It's rock solid with no breakages for a few major versions now, so I don't see why it would happen with 3.0.

[Artim]

It's rock solid with no breakages for a few major versions now, so I don't see why it would happen with 3.0.

Then learn to actually read what I write and not what you guess. I never said what you imply. The exact opposite is true.

[novideo]

Or if you had any idea how Debian based distros worked, you'd just look through reverse dependencies. There you'd see that there are a lot of packages depending on apt in some form. And not always will they accept any version of it. So good luck with the next OS upgrade without breaking everything.

Oh thanks, that command will come in handy! It doesn't look too bad though, even if I remove --installed:

$ LANG=C apt rdepends apt --installed
apt
Reverse Depends:
  Recommends: libapt-pkg6.0t64 (>= 2.9.0)
  Breaks: libapt-pkg6.0t64 (<< 1.6~)
  Depends: apt-utils (= 2.9.0)
  Depends: tasksel
  Depends: reportbug
  Depends: python3-reportbug
  Suggests: python3-apt
  Suggests: dpkg
  Recommends: deborphan
  Depends: apt-file
  Breaks: libapt-pkg6.0t64 (<< 1.6~)
  Recommends: libapt-pkg6.0t64 (>= 2.9.1)
  Depends: apt-utils (= 2.9.1)​

[Artim]

Oh thanks, that command will come in handy! It doesn't look too bad though, even if I remove --installed:

$ LANG=C apt rdepends apt --installed
apt
Reverse Depends:
Recommends: libapt-pkg6.0t64 (>= 2.9.0)
Breaks: libapt-pkg6.0t64 (<< 1.6~)
Depends: apt-utils (= 2.9.0)
Depends: tasksel
Depends: reportbug
Depends: python3-reportbug
Suggests: python3-apt
Suggests: dpkg
Recommends: deborphan
Depends: apt-file
Breaks: libapt-pkg6.0t64 (<< 1.6~)
Recommends: libapt-pkg6.0t64 (>= 2.9.1)
Depends: apt-utils (= 2.9.1)​

But it does once you include the implicit dependencies, not just the explicit ones.