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I use a lot nano, even to program. Anything that defaults to vi gets changed right away to nano.
At some point I did know how to use emacs, but it's been such a long time now I don't know why I gave it up for nano. I clearly remember why I dislike vi though. but maybe using it for a decade or more would have been enough to get used to it.
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Originally posted by jacob View PostFedora is a workstation/laptop distro. In a default out of the box install such machines don't and shouldn't even have a SSH server.
Just because you have preconceived notions of what Fedora is and only live inside a GUI, doesn't mean everyone else is the same.
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Originally posted by JustinTurdeau View Post
That doesn't cover the use case of remote editing over SSH (or a serial port) though. So you'd still need a default TUI editor.
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As a long-time (casual) nano user, dte seems really nice. There's no help bar at the bottom like nano, but most of the default bindings seem pretty obvious. It seems a lot more customizable too.
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What a waste of time.
For anyone who thinks vim is difficult to use, meet my friends ed and teco.
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Originally posted by jacob View PostI'm actually less and less convinced that for Fedora the standard shouldn't be a graphical editor like gedit.
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Originally posted by ix900 View Post
No, you're not the only one. I won't use it unless there's literally no choice (always been that way; never liked it). Would even prefer if all copies were burned and removed from life. lol
All Fedora devs need to do is to give a choice. Let people who really want it to have it and give a list with other choices. They just won't. There's only one to rule them all by default. Everyone who doesn't want the default just uses whatever and that's fine too so they should stop thinking about it really and go fix bugs because there's plenty of those out there.
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Originally posted by jacob View PostThat software is utter garbage in every way possible.
Even the neovim developers have barely scratched the surface of cleaning up the awfulness of the core codebase. They're mostly just heaping more and more features on the dung pile.
Originally posted by jacob View PostIts user interface was fine by f'ing 1972 standards, today it defies every bit of accumulated knowledge of good UI design as well as every convention expected by users (other than hardcode vi fans, that is)Last edited by JustinTurdeau; 25 June 2020, 10:35 PM.
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Originally posted by jacob View Post
Frankly am I the only one who doesn't understand the enduring love for vi? That software is utter garbage in every way possible. Its user interface was fine by f'ing 1972 standards, today it defies every bit of accumulated knowledge of good UI design as well as every convention expected by users (other than hardcode vi fans, that is). Plus it's so famous for its bugs that clones must explicitly and deliberately implement the same bugs to be compatible. I say, to the dustbin of history with it, and good riddance.
All Fedora devs need to do is to give a choice. Let people who really want it to have it and give a list with other choices. They just won't. There's only one to rule them all by default. Everyone who doesn't want the default just uses whatever and that's fine too so they should stop thinking about it really and go fix bugs because there's plenty of those out there.Last edited by ix900; 25 June 2020, 09:34 PM.
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