GNOME Playing Around With New Middle-Click Action

[Awesomeness]

Meh, not really... can't see how the GIMP toolkit would count as a GNOME lib

GTK's development home is Gnome.org, not Gimp.org: https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+ (similar for Clutter: https://git.gnome.org/browse/clutter)
That's a fact and no matter of debate and if you ?can't see? that, that's your problem.

It'd be pointless to fork GTK or Clutter in any case, as many 3rd party software depends on them, and there isn't really anything terribly wrong with either of them

There is plenty wrong with GTK as project leaders of LXDE, OpenShot, etc. can testify. That's why they migrated to Qt.

Cinnamon so far has been built on top of GNOME 3, with a forked shell (GNOME shell -> Cinnamon) and a forked window manager (Mutter -> Muffin), now the underlying GNOME parts will be purged and instead a new backend will be built for Cinnamon 2.0 which will (IIRC) not be a fork of GNOME, but entirely original code.

Cinnamon is built on libmutter which is basically a WM building toolbox based on Clutter. Elementary?s Pantheon does the same.
If the Cinnamon maintainers feel that using Clutter directly gives them more creative freedom, so be it, but they are just porting from one Gnome lib to another and not away from Gnome.

The only ports away from Gnome technology are related to configuration and session management: http://segfault.linuxmint.com/2013/0...-for-cinnamon/
Nowhere could I find that eg. Cinnamon 2.0 won't use Gnome Wallet to store passwords etc. and even if Cinnamon2 did that: GTK and Clutter are still Gnome libraries?

[pa2708]

Quick, someone tell Linus!

It really makes his day when desktop environments screw around with the mouse buttons for no reason.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2843366

[dee.]

GTK and Clutter are Gnome libs, so?

Meh, not really... can't see how the GIMP toolkit would count as a GNOME lib

It'd be pointless to fork GTK or Clutter in any case, as many 3rd party software depends on them, and there isn't really anything terribly wrong with either of them - so it'd be kind of pointelss duplication of code. Cinnamon so far has been built on top of GNOME 3, with a forked shell (GNOME shell -> Cinnamon) and a forked window manager (Mutter -> Muffin), now the underlying GNOME parts will be purged and instead a new backend will be built for Cinnamon 2.0 which will (IIRC) not be a fork of GNOME, but entirely original code.

[intellivision]

Haha. Sorry but you got it wrong. Totally wrong. Sure it is difficult to understand legal agreement and it orthogonal to freedom and tranperency. I have read the agreement, and it says nothing like that. It says KDE can rerelease the free editon for the X-based Qt if Digia fails to make a release on a yearly basis.

And the end result is the same, Digia's business model is trashed and there's permissive licensed Qt libraries out in the public sphere.
So, I'm not wrong, unless you can prove a way Digia could recover from losing their Qt monopoly.

Let me help you .. again. FSF wants copyright because they want to make the strongest possible case in court against any infringement. Relicensing to later versions are covered by the "or later" clause of the GPL. (Gnome does that to a large extent, Linux does not)

And they also use it to bump up the GPL version every so often, beyond the scope of 'or any later version' because they actually change the license to the next version up i.e. v3
FSF has done this many times, and thanks for dragging Linux in even though it wasn't being discussed.

[danielnez1]

You already got the Ohloh numbers. Showing KDE is DOOMED

I just went ahead at took a look on the monthly average for five digests near July month of 2013, 2012 and 2011. Based on KDE commit digests.

2011: 230 contributors, 2490 commits
2012: 192 contributors, 2230 commits
2013: 164 contributors, 1960 commits

Sorry but like Ohloh and the commit digest agrees. KDE is DYING Now deal with the facts, and don't shoot the messenger.

Yet again you have proved nothing, you have simply cherry picked some stats from 3 years. Anyway, a year on year total on the commits would be far more representative and accurate.

I can deal with the facts, even when the "messenger" rips up the true message and creates their own based on their delusional ramblings.

[n3wu53r]

You are right I based my findings on data from KDE itself and Ohloh, KDE users just cherrypick blog posts and determine Gnome is dying.

Might want to read my ohloh post.

3.8 might need a newer X than the one served in OS12.3. You should upgrade.

I have noticed no issues. If newer X is needed maybe the repo is giving it to me. I'm using this: http://dominique.leuenberger.net/blo...2-3-go-get-it/
Suse 12.3 is the newest release. I tried Fedora 19 but there was problems with bumblebee not working correctly (it's a known bug, might be fixed soon) and fedora booting with my screen brightness almost pitch black and I have to manually increase on each boot. Fedora only allowed me to use Max brightness or Min. No in between. On suse, I'm stuck at Max (but it's not pitch black like fedora), and I cannot change via gnome power, or via x by using the command line. I can only change the brightness in suse by editing kernel variables in /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight

I just had a look at Gnomes standard themes to get a grip about how much they needed to change for 3.10. Not much and not jerkish.

I acutally read a google+ post from a gtk theme maker saying that many of his 3.8 don't really break on teh 3.9 devel branch. So that's good.

It is gnome-tweak-tool 3.9.xx like an hour ago. I just made a pic of what all this fuzz is about. Don't make anything of the theming or headerbar, it is not Gnome default, and the pic is cropped. No wayland on this one.

So you are running header bar on X. Is there an additional close button drawn by the window manager or is there only header bar?

[n3wu53r]

Have you lived under a rock the past two years? There's been *a lot* of people calling GNOME dead. Not saying all of them are using KDE though.

I have seen gnome-is-dead posts but not "Gnom is dead, KDE rulezzz, futur is kde !!!1!1!!" kind of posts.

[kigurai]

I admit, many of the gnome hate is unfounded, but KDE users don't go into gnome posts and call gnome dead

Have you lived under a rock the past two years? There's been *a lot* of people calling GNOME dead. Not saying all of them are using KDE though.

[Awesomeness]

Cinnamon is in the process of diverging from GNOME entirely: version 2.0 of Cinnamon will no longer use any GNOME libs, instead they will develop their entirely own backend (which will still use GTK+3 and Clutter, AFAIK).

GTK and Clutter are Gnome libs, so?

[n3wu53r]

Smart guy. "of course one has to remove features. It hinders innovation, it makes maintenance more difficult, it adds code complexity. In this case we had a more prominent feature with better usability for a few years, so we removed the displaced older feature." He does the same as Gnome devs. But I guess the difference is no Gnome users shows up at Phoronix to flame KDE for stating this. It only happens to Gnome, and it happens just as Gnome adds a switch to Gnome-tweak-tool.

I admit, many of the gnome hate is unfounded, but KDE users don't go into gnome posts and call gnome dead . I'm actually typing this from my gnome 3 laptop, I use KDE on 2 other machines, but gnome 3.8 (from obs repo since distro came with 3.6) with opensuse 12.3 on this laptop. But sometimes gnome devs are real jerks, like when it comes to 3rd party themeing and breaking them every release.

Also what's up with the picture, is that a mockup or a real screenshot? I assume those are wayland CSD in top right?