XDG Top-Level Drag Protocol Approved For Wayland

[F.Ultra]

day 6969 of wayland needing protocols for the most basic shit, that each WM has to implement

and your alternative would be what, magic?

[Ghjnut]

It doesn't fucking matter if they have an opinion or used it before. All that matters is that they're perfectly fine with Windows despite what hysterical "Security" clowns claim, since you know Windows allows you to do sane things that Wayland does not, like every other fucking display server in existence, including macOS and X11.

Wayland is the only black sheep here.

Take a chill pill, man.

[Myownfriend]

Windows allows you to do sane things that Wayland does not, like every other fucking display server in existence, including macOS and X11.

Wayland is the only black sheep here.

Not sure if you're aware of this but Windows and macOS are operating systems. X11 and Wayland are display server protocols. There's a lot of things that operating systems can do that X11 and Wayland can't because they're not remotely equivalent and comparisons can't be made between them. In fact Windows and macOS don't even have display server protocols, they have compositors (that include the window manager just like a Wayland compositor), and the way that applications interact with the compositor and with each other are handled through multiple APIs, not just one.

Do you want to expand upon the sane things that Wayland doesn't do that it should?

I'm assuming you're gonna mention the usual things like screen sharing which requires permissions in macOS and is done through an audio/video framework similar to Pipewire so it's in no way similar to X11. Windows 10 added a graphics capture API that provides a secure dialog for picking a capture source... just like portals and not at all like X11. You're probably gonna mention global shortcuts, even though an app does them in X11 by polling keyboard input like keylogger and Window and macOS require global shortcuts to be registered with the OS just like the Global Shortcuts Portal allows apps and compositors to register shortcuts.

[Myownfriend]

day 6969 of wayland needing protocols for the most basic shit, that each WM has to implement

Can I see the superior display server protocol that you made?

[F.Ultra]

Can I see the superior display server protocol that you made?

I would rater see a suggestion on how to not use protocols in a protocol from davidbepo . THAT would be interesting.

[DumbFsck]

Edit: I just want to say to everyone that I'm sorry for feeding the troll, I know better but sometimes I just can't resist.

So your saying the 97% of people using Windows are wrong? ok mate, cya later.

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Fact remains, Linux is NOT the most popular Desktop OS!

The thing is that no one ever has argued Linux is more popular in desktops than windows, not in this thread, not in this forum in general and not ever.


What you so incendiarily stated was "best vs windows" not "possesses a larger desktop user base than windows", so people are arguing that yes, for a lot of use cases Linux as a desktop OS is ahead of the competition.

So are we saying that those (out of your ass number) 97% are wrong? Maybe, but the most important point is that being more popular != being better. Other people already explained some externalities, such as people never thinking about their OS, people not having tried different OSs etc, but it doesn't matter, if we were to ever discuss which OS is better we'd have to agree on a set of features to compare.

For example, I personally dislike the directory structure we have on Linux, IMO could be simpler as nowadays we have huge amounts of hardware in single user machines, and our Filesystems let us have much longer paths, so no reason to make everything be three letters... But even with my dislike of it, I think it is BETTER than windows roaming app data local low mess, and is more consistent, and easier to use .conf instead of the mess that is the registry.

And then we'd have to, after agreeing on a set of criteria to evaluate, argue which is better, cause maybe someone somewhere thinks win32 is "better" to develop against, even though I think they are wrong and possibly have their caps lock keys stuck on... Etc etc.


Which brings me to another point of yours, in my personal opinion we shouldn't include "compatibility" on an evaluation of which OS is "best", maybe if we were discussing best "at" something specific, but not in general. Is the macOS a better OS because they have final cut pro and my editor friend works for a final cut house? Well, it is the best AT editing in final cut, but then my other friend in the industry would say that that doesn't matter as everyone uses AVID...

I'd never in a million years suggest Linux to my engineer friend who needs CATIA, and I also wouldn't recommend mac... But in my opinion that also does not bear on evaluating the OS itself.

It's like if I were to ask you, which car is faster:a volkswagen beetle made in 1972 with Lewis Verstappen at the wheel or a factory new 2024 Ferrari with no one driving it? In this setup the beetle would win 10 out of 10 races, and I would still argue the Ferrari is a faster car.

[davidbepo]

and your alternative would be what, magic?

keep using Xorg until a PROPER replacement happens

[davidbepo]

Can I see the superior display server protocol that you made?

i havent made anything superior, but X11 already exists

[F.Ultra]

keep using Xorg until a PROPER replacement happens

so in other words you will use a protocol that uses protocols to solve things but refuse to use other protocols that also uses protocols to solve things?

[ssokolow]

so in other words you will use a protocol that uses protocols to solve things but refuse to use other protocols that also uses protocols to solve things?

I suspect their issue with Wayland is the bikeshedding exemplified by the discussion around the proposal to enable X11-style Firefox PiP windows, where the argument is between people who do and don't believe it's viable to lock the protocol down against being repurposed for other things by application developers so much that it requires a new revision every time Firefox wants to introduce a new kind of pushbutton to the PiP window.

(I'm on the "If you do that, Firefox devs will probably just ignore that it exists... and do you really want to put that much logic into the compositor?" side of things.)