Canonical Details Ubuntu 24.04 Desktop Plans + Ongoing X11 Sunsetting Discussions

[mSparks]

Any document before 2014 don't believe the title you need to read the contents very carefully.

Remember you said these days as in being 2023. Lot has changed in reporting from 2013 to now.

yes, although I was referring more to this title implying there was "ongoing X11 sunsetting discussions".

[nils_]

Those malicious translations can be avoided by using AI to do the translations. I expect even the code development will be done by AI.

I'm not sure how well that works, although AI translations got a lot better you still need a human to review them. The nature of how multi-language support actually works also means you usually have very little context around what you're translated. e.g. the error message "broken pipe" on its own without context would be difficult to translate, e.g. in German one might call it "Rohrbruch" (a burst pipe in the house). You need a consistent translation for a lot of things that are named after everyday things, sockets, pipes, fifos and so on.

[oiaohm]

yes, although I was referring more to this title implying there was "ongoing X11 sunsetting discussions".

What in the title is fact.

https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-desktop-24-04-lts-roadmap-highlights/41032

There are ongoing discussions about sun setting X11. In Ubuntu 24.04 LTS we’re not ready to make that leap. For this cycle, we’ve decided to audit the state of NVIDIA + Wayland to define the signals we want to see in order to make that call.

That a direct statement from canonical staff. Yes canonical is clear the only reason 24.04 still has X11 server bare metal is the broken Nvidia drivers.

Debian and Ubuntu are working out when they will drop bare metal X11 server support. Its really when not if at this point mSparks because the only part of the discussion now is when will they do it not if they should. It really does look like in best case Ubuntu/Debian will have x11 bare metal a year longer than RH10. Worst case they drop same year as RH10.

Yes mSparks running to Debian or Ubuntu to attempt to avoid X11 bare metal going way is basically not going to work because both debian and ubuntu have made the decision that they will be removing bare metal X11 server at some point. The exact point is all that being debated.

SUSE question over it give the same answer as Debian and Ubuntu people that they are also sun setting X11 bare metal server at some point the point is not 100 percent decided yet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xgl

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIGLX

This is also a bit of history above you would be overlooking as well mSparks. Yes 2006 was when the idea started that X11 server would cease to have bare metal DDX instead depend on opengl standards instead.

So yes get use to the new Wayland compositor+xwayland workflow because that is the one that going to be left.

[mSparks]

What in the title is fact.

yes, they confirmed there will be ongoing discussions until at least 2034.

[oiaohm]

yes, they confirmed there will be ongoing discussions until at least 2034.

RH10 is 2035. So there is every chance Ubuntu and Debian and Redhat and Fedora will all lose X11 bare metal at the same time.

[mSparks]

RH10 is 2035. So there is every chance Ubuntu and Debian and Redhat and Fedora will all lose X11 bare metal at the same time.

RH10 is 2024 and is going to be exclusively for wayland applications. That's not under discussion any more.

[oiaohm]

RH10 is 2024 and is going to be exclusively for wayland applications. That's not under discussion any more.

No you have the release date wrong.

https://is.redhat.released.info/

RedHat 10 release is planned to be in 2025

RH10 is 2025 not 2024. I have pointed this out to you a few times.

There is still a Year for Nvidia to get house in order before RH10 release.

[mSparks]

No you have the release date wrong.

https://is.redhat.released.info/

RH10 is 2025 not 2024. I have pointed this out to you a few times.

There is still a Year for Nvidia to get house in order before RH10 release.

RH10 is just a fork of FC40 with redhat branding applied which releases April 2024.

nvidia works just fine with wayland apps btw. The only things that dont work with nvidia on wayland is intentionally disabled by the wayland protocol, and afaik there is no discussion by anyone to get them working.

[Freeasabird]

X bois in panic mode now

dif you read the article?

[oiaohm]

RH10 is just a fork of FC40 with the redhat logo which releases April 2024.

That incorrect presume.

https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-41/f-41-key-tasks.html

https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-42/f-42-key-tasks.html

Fedora 41 will be released before RH10. And F42 will most likely released before RH10

RH10 will not be a fork off F40. Instead RH10 will be off either F41 or F42 and possible mix between 41 and 42 (this has happened before).

You forgot Fedora releases twice per year.

May 27, 2025 Yes 5 month that the marked RH10 release date. Target date 2025-04-22 for F42 this is one month before RH10 release date.

The release dates of RH10 are lined up to be based off F42.