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Purism Finally Announces The Firmed Up Specifications For The Librem 5 Smartphone

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  • #11
    Originally posted by 144Hz View Post
    Freedom and Privacy is not free. In this case it comes with a low cost. Well done Purism.
    I wouldn't say "low cost". It's certainly "low enough to be sold to consumers", which is already better than expected, but it's not cheap.

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    • #12
      I think the real problem with the price is that you probably won't be able to get this phone on a contract deal. Most people don't actually pay $1000 on an iPhone; they basically lease one. I'm sure most carriers aren't going to have contract/lease options for this phone, which means people will need to pay the price in full (or go with a 3rd-party payment plan).

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      • #13
        The Purism team seems to clearly understand that they're not building a mass-market phone, certainly not for their first release. There's demand for a freedom focused phone running a proper Linux distro - enough demand to design and sell one - but it's not going to immediately get any measurable portion of the overall cellphone market. Failing to understand that is what killed Ubuntu Touch.

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        • #14
          Well, here's the thing I meant: Outside of some specific groups, 600€ is far too high compared to the competition.
          Of course, I don't think they're charging this much out of greed. The effort they have spent on it is several times what most companies do when creating their shitty Android flavours with more love put into spyware than into actual usability. Plus, the likely low amount of units that will be produced forces the price up which in turns reduce their potential marketshare...

          What worries me is that their target audience is extremely niche, far more niche even than linux desktops.
          You're not going to convince anybody to pick that phone over say a Samsung or an iPhone similarly priced.
          You're not going to convince people who you set up a Linux distro on their computer for and who just want a simple phone that works, because no way they're going to spend 600€.
          It is worse in every way in hardware and while the software side is very interesting and refreshing for hardcore Linux users (like... those browsing phoronix, usually, and excluding hardcore gnome3 trolls), most users, including tech savvy ones, are only going to see it as just less mature and with worse app support - do they plan Android compat? That alone could decide a lot of the marketshare they'll get.

          I don't doubt that they'll manage to sell units, but I'm worried that they won't be able to sell enough.

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          • #15
            Originally posted by schmidtbag View Post
            I think the real problem with the price is that you probably won't be able to get this phone on a contract deal. Most people don't actually pay $1000 on an iPhone; they basically lease one.
            This is not aimed at idiots that need to show off with money they don't have, so that's not a major issue.

            Besides, getting a 700$ lease isn't that hard in first world countries if you have some kind of stable job. If you can't just save up money like a non-US-citizen usually does.
            Last edited by starshipeleven; 07-29-2019, 12:30 PM.

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            • #16
              I like the phone and the spec. Of course, freedom has a price, I wasn't expecting anything different.

              Hopefuly, the price should decrease in the year or two (or three).

              I am quite pleased to see a 720p screen phone, as that should be plentiful given the limitations of human sight. I'm quite surprised to see that the author of the article bashed the screen, showing his complete ignorance on the subject, and trying to promote the all-abound high-resolution histeria sponsored by greedy smartphone companies.

              Edit: I'm also quite pleased to see that the phone is powered by Cortex-A53 cores, which are immune to Spectre and all related security issues.
              Last edited by xfcemint; 07-29-2019, 12:45 PM.

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              • #17
                I'm OK with the screen. I just happen to use PC for gaming and TV for watching movies.
                One things that bothers me is missing NFC. That's very useful for contact less payments. A bit weird decision since NFC chipsets shouldn't be that expensive.

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by xfcemint View Post
                  I like the phone and the spec. Of course, freedom has a price, I wasn't expecting anything different.

                  Hopefuly, the price should decrease in the year or two (or three).

                  I am quite pleased to see a 720p screen phone, as that should be plentiful given the limitations of human sight. I'm quite surprised to see that the author of the article bashed the screen, showing his complete ignorance on the subject, and trying to promote the all-abound high-resolution histeria sponsored by greedy smartphone companies.

                  Edit: I'm also quite pleased to see that the phone is powered by Cortex-A53 cores, which are immune to Spectre and all related security issues.
                  Maybe it's just me, but after using a QHD LG G3 for so many years, I can see so many imperfections on 1080p and lower resolution screens. I don't notice a thing with higher resolution screens until comparing zoom-in quality with text.

                  For the record, I'm using an LG V20 now. Only phone that's modern with a removable battery, external storage, QHD screen, a DAC, a freakin headphone jack, and more.

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by skeevy420 View Post

                    Maybe it's just me, but after using a QHD LG G3 for so many years, I can see so many imperfections on 1080p
                    Maybe it's placebo effect. Have you tried a double-blind test?

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by Mateus Felipe View Post

                      I'm almost sure it will be. It's almost as overpriced as Apple phones. Disgusting.
                      iPhones weren't overpriced at the beginning.

                      But they are way overpriced now and the quality has gone down as well.

                      Tim Cook was a sourcing guru and it shows in the current iPhones. It used to be the US Government overpaid for the cheapest parts, now its just their residents.

                      iPhone sales are dropping so fast Apple doesn't report sales numbers anymore.

                      Sprint leveraged the company on selling them and now is paying for it (or should I say T-Mo is)

                      Apple even dumbed down the software to make up for the crappy Intel modems they sourced so no one could tell the difference.

                      As for Librem, I agree with starshipeleven.

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