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  • #21
    Originally posted by xfcemint View Post

    Maybe it's placebo effect. Have you tried a double-blind test?
    Quite likely. The ability to see imperfections in 1080p would be superhuman.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by xfcemint View Post

      Maybe it's placebo effect. Have you tried a double-blind test?
      The closest would be using other LG phones of similar screen sizes with different resolutions and I can notice more imperfections as the resolution decreases. It's mainly fonts that I notice at 1080p, which includes my 48" television as a monitor as well as 15-23"PC monitors, but below that is when I start to really notice pixelation, aliasing issues, and generally start to perceive content as possibly lower quality than it may or may actually not be.

      I've only ever owned and primarily used 1080p or 2K devices/screens for the past 21ish years which is around 2/3 of my life; primarily 1080p. I think being accustomed to higher resolutions from around 11 or 12 to 34 now has a lot to do with it.

      I have noticed, anecdotally, that people 45 and up tend to not notice lower resolutions on phones and other displays anywhere near as much as younger people. For my parents, older relatives, and older people that I know, they're almost always perfectly happy with 720p and can't perceive any difference with increased resolution other than the comment of "I can see more stuff"; but "seeing more stuff" is not the same as "seeing increased quality". They see more stuff but the quality is the same. I wonder if that can be attributed to growing up with lower quality screens and then hitting a level where better/higher becomes harder to notice due to being used to lower quality imperfections for greater a percentage of their lives.

      What's funny is that I really don't perceive much of a difference between 30FPS and 60FPS with most games. The few times I do it's first person shooters and racing.

      EDIT: After posting I realized that my monitor when I was 11 or 12, our first home PC, was a 13" 1024x768 monitor and I was around 15 when I got my first 1080p monitor and a few years later when I got a job and moved on to using 1080p televisions. Since then I've only ever used a freebie 15" 1440x900 monitor at home and for two weeks because lightning killed my TV, only ever owned 1080p and up phones outside of rare circumstances...

      Or my Dad has broke two of my phones in the past 3 years, by accident, and I had to use his backup Flex (720p 6"), after he broke my backup G3 (5.5" 2K) until I got something new and I did not like the 720p screen; extended reading on it gave me a headache. A few years back AT&T fucked up and sent both of us two phones when we upgraded our work phones...four phones for two cents...

      I managed to find a new V20 for the cost of the refurbishment parts for the G3 so that's what finally got me to upgrade phones .
      Last edited by skeevy420; 07-29-2019, 02:12 PM.

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      • #23
        The price of this phone is no question high compared to a high-volume, derivative phone that has benefited from a decade(??) or more of research, development and expertise. That's an objective fact when you look at the price of one compared to the price of another.

        It's not "disgusting" it's just a fact of life. If you go to your local wholesaler and buy 1000x of something you will likely get a better deal than if you buy 1x. That's also a factor.

        If you don't value the proposition of the phone (open source, mainline kernel, modem separated from CPU, etc.) then that's certainly your right. But I see little reason to attack Purism over the phone.

        I work for a company that does actual low-level, custom chip design but I'm a software engineer. Prior to working here I thought I had a remote idea of what was involved and I can say definitively I had almost _no idea_ how hard this all actually was. Granted Purism isn't developing new SoCs or anything but I would venture to guess most people criticizing them or the price are clueless; maybe I'm wrong.

        As to being a commercial success, I think it will be for Purism and the internal goals they've set or at least I would imagine so.

        At any rate I can say I'm anxiously awaiting mine and wish them all the best. They don't get a pass, we'll be tough on them where they deserve it and luckily we'll help improve it.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by schmidtbag View Post
          I think the real problem with the price is that you probably won't be able to get this phone on a contract deal. Most people don't actually pay $1000 on an iPhone; they basically lease one. I'm sure most carriers aren't going to have contract/lease options for this phone, which means people will need to pay the price in full (or go with a 3rd-party payment plan).
          In the end most people are not better off with a contract deal. The lease costs more in the long run.

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          • #25
            These specs are totally sufficient for most users. Other things of this phone are way more important: how durable will it be, price of repairs, can I repair at least partly myself...?

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            • #26
              Originally posted by sverris View Post
              In the end most people are not better off with a contract deal. The lease costs more in the long run.
              I totally agree. But, I'm also not the type of person to buy expensive phones in the first place. Cheap crappy phones have always served me well.

              Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
              This is not aimed at idiots that need to show off with money they don't have, so that's not a major issue.

              Besides, getting a 700$ lease isn't that hard in first world countries if you have some kind of stable job. If you can't just save up money like a non-US-citizen usually does.
              You're probably right, but whether people are showing off money they have or don't have, I don't know too many people who own $700+ phones that are less than a year old. So, the point of my post was to say that most people will find that price point steep if they're paying for it in full, but, most people are willing to pay for something more expensive if the payments are spread out (even if that means they're actually paying more in the long run). I'm not saying it's a good idea (I personally never buy anything I can't pay for up-front, except maybe a house) I'm just saying what the reality is.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by paupav View Post
                I don't think its overpriced. They had to develop OS and libhandy and everything.
                i'm not sure why they were forced to develop their own os

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by sverris View Post
                  These specs are totally sufficient for most users. Other things of this phone are way more important: how durable will it be, price of repairs, can I repair at least partly myself...?
                  This will be the biggest buying factor in me getting one of these. If it's not easily serviceable then onto the cheap pinephone for me.

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by 144Hz View Post
                    Freedom and Privacy is not free.
                    i'm using fedora and its freedom and privacy come for free

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by andyprough View Post

                      Quite likely. The ability to see imperfections in 1080p would be superhuman.
                      Technically, on a 6 inch smartphone, a slightly near-sighted teenager with a slightly above-average eyesight can notice the imperfections on a specially crafted image when the screen is placed less than 30 cm from his eyes.

                      So, not quite superhuman, but close.

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