Steam On Linux Marketshare Hits New Multi-Year High, AMD Powering ~40% Of Linux Gaming Systems

[spykes]

Name calling.

Playing victim, Name calling
Well I think we are done

[tildearrow]

Oh my, birdie seriously you come here 'cuz you like angering us.
I can't believe it.

You can't even listen to Michael himself.

[oiaohm]

No, they won't and can't. Their handheld is a special piece of hardware and Valve will be a sole purveyor of their own highly specialized Linux distribution. No, they will not use "default" Arch Linux which is a console oriented distro for power users.

https://www.steamdeck.com/en/tech

You really do need to go and read the specification sheet. From a kernel point of view the Valve hardware is not that specialised.

https://wccftech.com/amd-van-gogh-apus-bring-power-of-rdna-2-in-ultra-low-power-ryzen-notebooks/

There are notebooks in production with the same APU with the same amount of ram and same type of ram.

The reality here Valve taken the parts you would make a netbook with and made a hand held shaped console device and valve is not the only party who is doing this. Due to device not being that specialist of hardware its not needing a highly specialised Linux distribution. Valve is just need to tweak a few defaults and have new enough kernel and gpu drivers.

Yes your xbox, playstations... you normal game consoles from you common vendors have specialist chips CPU/GPU unique to them in there. Valve steamdeck is not this. Valve also is not locking the boot so you are free to install other Linux distributions on the steamdeck.

Arch install process is designed to be console driven. But many users operate Arch graphically. Yes a lot of arch users are not heavy console users. https://github.com/MatMoul/archfi Yes this has lead to many projects to make arch fast and simple to install.

https://www.jeremymorgan.com/blog/linux/best-linux-for-beginners/

The reality here is arch being power users only is not that true. The install curve is a little steep. But for a party like valve doing a steandeck being able to direct drive the install process by custom script does have its advantages. It is a bit more steep of a learning curve at the start with arch yes due to not having a graphical installer to hand hold user though the install process. After you have done the install process does Arch really behave major-ally different to any other Linux distribution the answer is no. Yes arch package manager intergrates into gnome and kde graphical package manager tools. Yes KDE discover and Gnome Add/Remove Software works with arch just the same as on any other major Linux distributions.

birdie the reality is once you are past a particular point installing the common Linux distributions more of how the distribution works graphically comes down to your choice of desktop environment than the distribution. This coming more true when you look at KDE discover and Gnome Add/Remove and notice they come with flatpak installing out box to install applications your distribution may not have.

[mdedetrich]

And despite that they are still failing to provide a correct handling of AMD CPU even after their first patch:
https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/news...s-L3-cache-bug

"Much more stable platform" my ass

There is difference between crashing (ergo being unstable) and running slightly slower so this is a terrible example, its not like Windows 11 was crashing when you ran it on an AMD CPU (it also got largely fixed 2 weeks later which is much faster than an equivalent situation in Linux especially considering how long it takes to trickle down via distributions).

[oiaohm]

There is difference between crashing (ergo being unstable) and running slightly slower so this is a terrible example, its not like Windows 11 was crashing when you ran it on an AMD CPU (it also got largely fixed 2 weeks later which is much faster than an equivalent situation in Linux especially considering how long it takes to trickle down via distributions).

That is also double sided.

https://www.howtogeek.com/761209/windows-11s-latest-update-makes-the-amd-cpu-problem-worse/

Distributions in the Linux world have habit of being very kernel slow in updating. This does give more time for kernels to get issues that make current issue worse detected and resolved before being dropped on general users.

The sweet spot between updating the kernel fast to get new features to the end users in timely way and not causing the end user too many problems is a hard thing.

[spykes]

There is difference between crashing (ergo being unstable) and running slightly slower so this is a terrible example, its not like Windows 11 was crashing when you ran it on an AMD CPU (it also got largely fixed 2 weeks later which is much faster than an equivalent situation in Linux especially considering how long it takes to trickle down via distributions).

You're right but honestly, how many users here have been experiencing a crash of their system because of a Linux Kernel bug ? I've been using Linux for years and it never happened to me on a production system. Serious distro maintainers are doing a great job shielding us from early quircks when it could happen.
Microsoft happened to release updates able to brick some users install, despite their supposed "superior" validation process.

[jaxa]

https://wccftech.com/amd-van-gogh-apus-bring-power-of-rdna-2-in-ultra-low-power-ryzen-notebooks/

There are notebooks in production with the same APU with the same amount of ram and same type of ram.

Despite the headline, there's no good evidence yet that Van Gogh will appear in anything not called Steam Deck, although it would be great if it became a long-term "budget 7nm APU" (replacing 14nm "Dali") as Rembrandt and later APUs use newer nodes. A $200-300 laptop with a Van Gogh quad-core would be more performance than a lot of people need.

Even if it is only used in the Steam Deck, it is very similar to Renoir and Rembrandt, and Linux has been getting patches for it for over a year now.

[ssokolow]

AMD on Linux is much more common than on Windows where Intel still has a 69% marketshare.

Really? All this time spent arguing about China and Windows vs. Linux but nobody made even a passing mention of this "hurr hurr" opportunity?

I guess I'll have to do it.

Mac goes from over 0.07% to above 2%. These numbers look suspicious.

It's saying that macOS increased by 0.07% from 2.49% to 2.56%.

If no one cares, Android is Linux and you should be very happy.

ChromeOS is linux, so is Android. Android may have different APIs, so may not be relevant here.

Chrome OS without the Linux apps VM is based on Gentoo, so how is that not Linux then? Even the Gentoo wiki lists it:

People generally talk about platforms from the perspective of their primary application ecosystems. The "Linux" people are talking about exposes Linux kernel syscalls, POSIX, and X11 or Wayland as its primary platform ABI. When talking about desktop use, people tend to narrow that further to "Linux on x86" meaning "Linux with glibc and whatever else my Steam/GOG/etc. games need on x86".

Android is a separate ABI, primarily intended to be accessed via Java or Kotlin, which happens to use the Linux kernel and Bionic as implementation details and encourages developers to avoid looking under the hood. That's why it'll still be Android if Google decides to rebase the Android platform on Fuchsia to get a stable driver ABI, but it will no longer contain Linux.

ChromeOS is the web platform and has a similar attitude toward under-the-hood stuff. It will also remain ChromeOS if Google rebases the platform on top of Fuchsia to get a stable driver interface.

To say otherwise would be like saying that iOS and macOS are the same thing and iPhones run macOS.

[vb_linux]

Oh my, birdie seriously you come here 'cuz you like angering us.
I can't believe it.

You can't even listen to Michael himself.

I think he enjoys it.

[pal666]

AMD does it as well. There are no shortages. They are manipulating the market, they have formed a cartel and governments do nothing about it.

and you are wearing tinfoil hat. amd doesn't sell videocards and doesn't sell in retail. your retail shop sets price, so if you want to look for cartel, you should start there