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Originally posted by krach View PostI didn't get that either. They decide to adopt systemd, but are still ensuring that logind will work without systemd. Why?
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Originally posted by dh04000 View PostThat being said, I have set up several headless minecraft and music playback servers, and still haven't directly interacted with the init system yet. And thoughtful never will, lol.
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Mark Shuttleworth:
We?ll certainly complete work to make the new logind work without systemd as pid 1.
Originally posted by mark45 View PostWait, what?Originally posted by krach View PostI didn't get that either. They decide to adopt systemd, but are still ensuring that logind will work without systemd. Why?Originally posted by Scimmia View PostProbably as a near term solution. I doubt we'll see Ubuntu running systemd until at least 15.04 or later, the logind replacement will be their answer until then.
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Originally posted by krach View PostMark Shuttleworth:
I didn't get that either. They decide to adopt systemd, but are still ensuring that logind will work without systemd. Why?
There are sure to be many more tightly coupled places in the systemd "infrastructure" that will need to be refactored for more flexibility now.
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Or maybe they will complete the rewrite so they can get rid of systemd in the future?
Systemd is "technically superior" in the sense that it's the easy way of supporting Gnome 3. So all the distros that were caught pants down by the Gnome dependency on logind and logind dependency on systemd had to choose between quickly implementing a logind replacement that doesn't depend on systemd or using systemd. They choose the easy and risk free way of using systemd.
In a similar manner millions of PC users choose Windows over Linux every day for its "technical superiority" of running all the software they are used too, and even if Linux does run that software Windows will run it at least as fast, usually faster. Much better OS from a "technical" perspective, right?
BTW, those of you that still think systemd was chosen over OpenRC for technical merits read the Debian page on it: https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/openrc The only true disadvantage it had to systemd was lack of socket activation. Except for that OpenRC does all the shiny new stuff that systemd brags about and is still portable to non-linux platforms, that is essential for both Gentoo and Debian. So why did Debian choose systemd over OpenRC? POLITICS!!!!
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Originally posted by pal666 View Postso either you don't want to run gnome and this dependence is irrelevant, or you want to run gnome an then being against systemd is pretty stupid
Originally posted by Ansla View PostOr maybe they will complete the rewrite so they can get rid of systemd in the future?
Systemd is "technically superior" in the sense that it's the easy way of supporting Gnome 3. So all the distros that were caught pants down by the Gnome dependency on logind and logind dependency on systemd had to choose between quickly implementing a logind replacement that doesn't depend on systemd or using systemd. They choose the easy and risk free way of using systemd.
In a similar manner millions of PC users choose Windows over Linux every day for its "technical superiority" of running all the software they are used too, and even if Linux does run that software Windows will run it at least as fast, usually faster. Much better OS from a "technical" perspective, right?
BTW, those of you that still think systemd was chosen over OpenRC for technical merits read the Debian page on it: https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/openrc The only true disadvantage it had to systemd was lack of socket activation. Except for that OpenRC does all the shiny new stuff that systemd brags about and is still portable to non-linux platforms, that is essential for both Gentoo and Debian. So why did Debian choose systemd over OpenRC? POLITICS!!!!
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I now have Allbery's statement, its discussion (including Jackson's conspiracy theory and Allbery's reaction to it) and his overview of upgrade plans in case 2 of my Debian discussion adaptation in Ace Attorney style:
sparklin.org is your first and best source for all of the information you’re looking for. From general topics to more of what you would expect to find here, sparklin.org has it all. We hope you find what you are searching for!
This should also shed light on why systemd was chosen to the two people above my post.
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Originally posted by Ansla View PostOr maybe they will complete the rewrite so they can get rid of systemd in the future?
Systemd is "technically superior" in the sense that it's the easy way of supporting Gnome 3. So all the distros that were caught pants down by the Gnome dependency on logind and logind dependency on systemd had to choose between quickly implementing a logind replacement that doesn't depend on systemd or using systemd. They choose the easy and risk free way of using systemd.
In a similar manner millions of PC users choose Windows over Linux every day for its "technical superiority" of running all the software they are used too, and even if Linux does run that software Windows will run it at least as fast, usually faster. Much better OS from a "technical" perspective, right?
BTW, those of you that still think systemd was chosen over OpenRC for technical merits read the Debian page on it: https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/openrc The only true disadvantage it had to systemd was lack of socket activation. Except for that OpenRC does all the shiny new stuff that systemd brags about and is still portable to non-linux platforms, that is essential for both Gentoo and Debian. So why did Debian choose systemd over OpenRC? POLITICS!!!!
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