Fenrus Linux: A Distro For Performance, Developers

[chrisb]

for each test, the "best of the rest" score is used as an index (e.g 100%). the score for Fenrus Linux is then indexed against this score and a delta percentage comes out.
(the scores are always "higher is better", for those PTS tests where Lower-Is-Better, the result is inverted)

each "point" on the graph is a release of the distro (rolling release model)

I also think that you need to explain it better on the actual page.

I still don't understand how the delta is being calculated - the first plot shows systemd-boot-kernel, suggesting that the "best of the rest" line is 100%, but systemd-boot-total shows "delta (%)" varying from below 6000% to above 7000%. I assume you are plotting here some absolute values and that "% delta" is incorrectly labelled? Or is there a problem with the test results?

If you just want to plot % change from other distributions, then why is the delta offset for many of the plots 0% rather than 100%? e.g. in the plot for system-decompress-xz/zlib the offset is from 0 (delta), but the other compression graphs are all plotted with the base at 100 (absolute %, not delta). Assuming that the variation is not going to be huge, it would seems to be better to show the +/- % delta from 0 for all graphs.

[RahulSundaram]

hmm. Gentoo wouldn't be the first distro to come to my mind while developing high efficient software update technology
(doing binary delta's of only those files that changed, solving the depsolving issue etc etc)

Well, Fedora (and openSUSE as well I think) use Delta RPM's by default which are binary diffs. Can you explain what you have in mind that is different?

[Ramiliez]

You might want to look at Sabayon Linux, which is Gentoo based. Its package management runs on top of Gentoo's package manager. Gentoo Portage is used to generate binary packages, which are then repackaged for use in Sabayon. The Sabayon package manager takes care of installation, updates, etcetera. The abstraction afforded by this would permit implementation of things like binary deltas and a solution to the "depsolving issue", without the heavy lifting required to maintain tens of thousands of packages.

I suspect that the Sabayon developers would be interested in innovations in this area, especially since they are well positioned to benefit from them.

Equo can be configured to use deltas too

[ryao]

hmm. Gentoo wouldn't be the first distro to come to my mind while developing high efficient software update technology
(doing binary delta's of only those files that changed, solving the depsolving issue etc etc)

You might want to look at Sabayon Linux, which is Gentoo based. Its package management runs on top of Gentoo's package manager. Gentoo Portage is used to generate binary packages, which are then repackaged for use in Sabayon. The Sabayon package manager takes care of installation, updates, etcetera. The abstraction afforded by this would permit implementation of things like binary deltas and a solution to the "depsolving issue", without the heavy lifting required to maintain tens of thousands of packages.

I suspect that the Sabayon developers would be interested in innovations in this area, especially since they are well positioned to benefit from them.

[fenrus]

The innovations that Fenrus Linux attempts could have been done by modifying Gentoo via an overlay. With that said, I have nothing against people trying to do things differently and I wish Fenrus all the best.

hmm. Gentoo wouldn't be the first distro to come to my mind while developing high efficient software update technology
(doing binary delta's of only those files that changed, solving the depsolving issue etc etc)

[Pallidus]

You have to hover the graphs to see the little dots that, I take it, are fenrus's builds.


The test results are impressive but the lack of information is holding me back from downloading.


Can you load a live session into ram? does it have an installer?


just how primitive is it?


In ubuntu 13.04 I have been fucking with upstart and systemv and I managed to shut off some services that I don't use like CUPS and bluetooth, that and deleting the lenses makes a night and day difference. when idle I'm at 280 mb and 3% cpu.

Make sure you build a nice little GUI that let's you shut off services like cups etc...

BTW the name should have been Fenrir, what the hell is a fenrus anyway?


google search edit: Oh wow a gay videogame character ... way to spell 'professional distro' there buddy

[korrode]

This person is an upstream developer. I think we can cut him some slack and let him run his own pet project if he feels like it.

He can do whatever he likes. I don't expect he'd be discouraged by my comments on this forum. I wouldn't be, in his position.

Thanks for sharing?

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No worries, glad you enjoyed my post.

Fenrus Linux is described as having a novel packaging workflow and update mechanism, which one really can't change in about 20 seconds on an existing distro.

Good. I hope it does actually offer new distinct features, I hope my comments don't apply to it, like they do so many others.

I disagree. I think this kind of diversity is what makes Linux great. If the ideas are working out well and take only 20 seconds to implement, then other distros will adopt them quickly.

And hopefully merge where & when reasonably applicable.

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I'm sorry if some people don't agree with my opinion that increased unification and tighter resource pooling would be a good thing, but that is my view.
Understand too; I don't at all suggest all distros combine. Some are simply too different and have outright incompatible philosophies.

[ryao]

I disagree. I think this kind of diversity is what makes Linux great. If the ideas are working out well and take only 20 seconds to implement, then other distros will adopt them quickly.

The innovations that Fenrus Linux attempts could have been done by modifying Gentoo via an overlay. With that said, I have nothing against people trying to do things differently and I wish Fenrus all the best.

[fenrus]

How are the benchmarks to be read?

for each test, the "best of the rest" score is used as an index (e.g 100%). the score for Fenrus Linux is then indexed against this score and a delta percentage comes out.
(the scores are always "higher is better", for those PTS tests where Lower-Is-Better, the result is inverted)

each "point" on the graph is a release of the distro (rolling release model)

[chithanh]

i still think this whole 'zomg i do stuff a little different that takes liek 20 seconds to change an existing distro to do... shit, better release my own distro' stuff is unproductive at best.

I disagree. I think this kind of diversity is what makes Linux great. If the ideas are working out well and take only 20 seconds to implement, then other distros will adopt them quickly.