Archinstall 2.3 Released For Easily Installing Arch Linux

[Vistaus]

Using the AUR in Manjaro will break your system.

You clearly haven't read my post as I wasn't even talking about AUR. I was talking about the updates Manjaro offered themselves, i.e. from the default repos.

[kylew77]

Manjaro is probably the worst distro I've ever tried. On multiple PC s, it was always trouble, trouble and trouble. And most of the times even broken after installing their so-called stable (!) updates after a new install. And I have a couple of years of Linux experience behind me (though I'm no specialist or something). I wouldn't want any new user, in whatever sense of the word, even thinking about using Manjaro.

Using the AUR in Manjaro will break your system. I broke a system so bad in Manjaro. It made me leave Linux and switch to FreeBSD which I love, but has kind of a lazie faire approach to security, so I am contemplating a complete move to OpenBSD but its rough edges make me sigh. But OpenBSD is in my opinion the most secure Unix and really has a lot going for it simplicity wise.

[gfunk]

If Arch is so bad as a daily driver, then why does Valve use it as a base for SteamOS?

they chose Arch because if any breakthrough changes get released they can get them onto the steam deck quickly, where ubuntu changes take 6 months to roll out. I imagine this will cause issues though similar to what people say about Manjaros stability

It's not really that difficult, but yeah, the old wifimenu was certainly nice to have.

the issue I had recently is all arch guides have steps for other wifi programs and I couldn't work out which program i was meant to manage the wifi with, i didnt use the guided installer though

[alex19EP]

Arch needs to support secure boot like Fedora/Ubuntu/openSUSE does with the signed shim, disabling secure boot can be problematic and unwanted, I don't get why they don't support it.

we plan to support secure boot. pleas see: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlin...so/-/issues/69

[dylanmtaylor]

I don't know, should we count buildroot? (?)



Let me know if I got it straight. The idea of doing it web based is to enable the tool to be used for headless boxes too, right? That sounds damned cool.

With a custom ISO that launches archinstall via zprofile edits or something and a config file for archinstall, it'd be in theory entirely possible to automate an entire headless install. You can build your own ISOs with mkarchiso fairly easily.

[dylanmtaylor]

Looking forward to Arch users arguing that Arch installed with Archinstall isn't Arch.

Honestly, I hate this toxic, elitist attitude. It's an officially supported method of installation, and it's not like someone is better at using Linux because they can type in basically line for line a list of commands off of the Arch wiki. It's even less valuable if they've already done it to make people tediously install the system, and giving them a fast, more user-friendly way to install is very helpful.

[dylanmtaylor]

Back then, i used one line to insall everything, from bootloader, desktop, to browser. Arch installation can be very short, simple and straightforward if you know what to do. I even skipped many steps on common guide because i use GUI before and after the installation. And yet, despite everything. I was proud to tell people on Internet that i use arch btw.

Now i use different distro, i no longer see the appeal of archlinux beside for learning. I wouldn't use arch/based distro for daily driver...

I love Arch Linux just as much. It's a fantastic rolling release distribution and I get to try out the latest and greatest features at the expense of a small amount of stability (and honestly, the issues you encounter with well-known packages are very rare and don't often require manual intervention) and a bigger learning curve than something like Ubuntu.

[dylanmtaylor]

Decided to try it out on a laptop the other day, and there the wi-fi connection has been changed to a more sophisticated IWD. They simplify one thing and complicate another.

Cheat sheet (assuming you don't just plug in ethernet)

iwctl -> device list -> station [device name] connect [network name] -> enter passphrase.

It's not really that difficult, but yeah, the old wifimenu was certainly nice to have.

[dylanmtaylor]

Arch needs to support secure boot like Fedora/Ubuntu/openSUSE does with the signed shim, disabling secure boot can be problematic and unwanted, I don't get why they don't support it.

Did you open an issue on the GitHub project requesting this? It might be possible to add in the next release, 2.4.0.

[dylanmtaylor]

Tbh i don't really see much of a point to this project, the arch installation is already very easy to do and you need to be capable of doing everything it takes to install arch normally to be able to use arch (e.g. follow simple instructions on a wiki), if you can't, you're probably gonna break your installation and not know how to fix it at some point (not that that can't happen even when you can tho).

Some people don't want to repeat their installation from scratch. It's not difficult but it is time-consuming. This also is not just an installer but a library, so you can use it to script your installation or ever provide a configuration file for an unattended installation. There are many benefits to having archinstall available and it's an optional tool you don't need to use.