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  • #31
    Originally posted by Turbine View Post
    Funnily enough Fedora 34 is what made me use Windows fulltime again. The Gnome desktop is still missing too many basic features and suffers from bad multi-monitor support and poor performance when you have multiple Windows opened.

    All Windows need was a mod to add open in bash shell and removing a bunch of unnecessary items in the right click menu.

    I did give KDE a go before switching, but unfortunately it was even worse than Gnome and Windows due to the clutter, even poorer multi-monitor support and bad performance. I have a nvidia 1080 and it feels like I'm running an Intel 4000.

    At least Fedora solved my headset no-sound audio issues I had in Ubuntu. And the system hanging for 30 seconds on shutdown.
    The nvidia 1080 is the problem; actually Nouveau. It will run extremely well if you install nvidia's binary driver, but with 30 second hangs at shutdown and poor multi monitor issues there is an almost certainty that you were using the open source driver.

    Nvidia does this to us, you are not alone. They refuse to publish specifications and the end result are these kinds of abnormalities. It would not matter what distro you chose unless you got blank lucky. You have to play by nvidia's rules, you have no choice that is just the world we live in. I really hate to be the bearer of bad news to you.

    I'm a AMD user, I won't lie, and I choose AMD because the driver just works and I don't need to fuss with having to install some extra driver cruft. I just want automagic go from day one. But the reality is that the nvidia binary driver is a very well architected piece of software as much as I dislike it philosophically.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by calc View Post

      There is a lot more to packages than just the package format itself, which gets conflated with the package format. For debs there is the very extensive Debian Policy and related documents that apply to any package that is allowed into Debian. Which means that nearly all deb packages, outside of PPAs, comply with it. That's also one of the of the reasons why people recommend against using PPAs.

      There really isn't much on the rpm side enforcing packaging standards to that extent like there is with debs.

      https://www.debian.org/doc/
      This is more of policies rather than technical limitations. If Debian started with .rpm in some parallel universe these policies still persist.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by birdie View Post

        Why not use XFCE?



        Been using it since Fedora Core 1 - hasn't really felt anything "experimental" about it. A little bit on the bleeding edge but then you get the latest and greatest as well.
        Good point. I loved xfce back in the day (despite it feeling wooden), I wonder if it works well with Gnome apps.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by ezst036 View Post

          The nvidia 1080 is the problem; actually Nouveau. It will run extremely well if you install nvidia's binary driver, but with 30 second hangs at shutdown and poor multi monitor issues there is an almost certainty that you were using the open source driver.

          Nvidia does this to us, you are not alone. They refuse to publish specifications and the end result are these kinds of abnormalities. It would not matter what distro you chose unless you got blank lucky. You have to play by nvidia's rules, you have no choice that is just the world we live in. I really hate to be the bearer of bad news to you.

          I'm a AMD user, I won't lie, and I choose AMD because the driver just works and I don't need to fuss with having to install some extra driver cruft. I just want automagic go from day one. But the reality is that the nvidia binary driver is a very well architected piece of software as much as I dislike it philosophically.
          Unfortunately I was using the proprietary driver back then. I had to reduce the systemd timeout.

          I do wonder what using an AMD card would be like in Linux. I only ever hear good things about Linux, rarely the bad. So an honest opinion would be good.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Turbine View Post

            Unfortunately I was using the proprietary driver back then. I had to reduce the systemd timeout.

            I do wonder what using an AMD card would be like in Linux. I only ever hear good things about Linux, rarely the bad. So an honest opinion would be good.
            I have a Laptop with Intel iGPU (i7 3rd gen) + AMD dGPU (Southern Islands).
            The AMD card is powered off (and not only in standby) when not in use (99% of the time) and goes on, without me doing anything, if I use DRI_PRIME=1
            They both support Vulkan and Vulkan works on both (one at a time - does anyone have an application that uses multiple GPUs parallel? that'd be great).
            So, from my limited use cases it's perfect and I had to do nothing at all to make it work.

            My other rig is a desktop with another Intel (i7 3rd gen) but only because someone gifted it to me, board and all, without iGPU. The GPU is an AMD RX 480 8 GB, the monitor a 25" 2560x1440.
            And here also everything works perfectly, nothing to configure, nothing to do from my side, it just works perfectly. Desktop, Vulkan, native games, Wine'd games and everything.
            The AMD HD 6570 before the RX 480 also worked perfect on my then AMD Phenom II.

            So whenever someone says "I have problems with my graphics" I simply cannot relate; it has not once been my experience.
            But, yeah, I would never touch anthing nvidia, both from a moral and a technical reason.

            Debian Sid, KDE Plasma

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            • #36
              Originally posted by hubick View Post
              Sure hope there's a PipeWire equivalent.
              Yes, pavucontrol.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by moonlite View Post

                Yeah same here. I haven't used any extension for years.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by finalzone View Post

                  PulseEffect is the first application fully supporting Pipewire.
                  “PipeEffects”?

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                  • #39
                    I would probably be more excited about this if Fedora 33 did not hang on boot on my laptop ever since kernel 5.11

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Vistaus View Post

                      “PipeEffects”?
                      They are thinking about renaming to a generic name https://github.com/wwmm/pulseeffects/issues/874

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