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Fedora Developers Discussing Possibility Of Dropping Legacy BIOS Support
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Originally posted by ezst036 View Post
Define your words please.
Do you have in mind some Pentium MMX system on socket 5? Because I've got a dual core AMD Phenom system with an Asus board that has BIOS, and its lightning fast in general use on fedora 32.
Some people would say AM3 qualifies as "legacy", but if that is true then "painfully slow" is a gross misstatement for a legacy system. These are fast computers.
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Originally posted by Ipkh View PostI boot UEFI exclusively and at least Xubuntu has no problem switching between the CSM and pure UEFI when the bios is reset.
I also tend to enable secure boot. Luckily Xubunutu handled that quite well too.
In general we need to start dropping legacy subsystems to improve. I hate Apple but admire their ability to just drop legacy cruft at the drop of a hat. I think a balance between Apples reckless abandonment of working standards and Microsoft refusal to abandon long superceded standards is needed for Linux and the general Processor ecosystem to make forward progress.
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Originally posted by cjcox View PostLinux community as a whole discussing the possibility of dropping distribution dictators like Red Hat (CentOS, Fedora).
(hey, I can create chaos just as well....)
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Originally posted by Kano View Post
I do not own an ASRock board right now but compared to ASUS the UEFI implentation of Sandy/Ivy Bridge was certainly better. Also I don't know of any Kanotix user which had so bad experience with this brand. In my experience the brand for a desktop board does not really matter. You can expect that many lowcost boards just follow the chip vendors examples and do not use extra durable parts - which might be better for OC. But even then, usually motherboards don't die so fast, and even if it really happend then it would be much more likely that the root cause was a bad (cheap) PSU.
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Originally posted by Tomin View Post
What? It was pretty common back then to have BIOS. I have a Phenom II system with BIOS still running.
I might be thinking of FX processors. FX motherboards should all have been UEFI.
In any case, wasn't that back when they were only putting 1 integer unit per 2 float unit in "modules"? Like, they weren't really 2 proper "cores"? Didn't they count fp units with dedicated cache as a "core" but in actuality it was one "module" even though OS vendors counted a "core" as a whole CPU unit with an int+fp+cache as a core until Microsoft caved and redefined it?
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Originally posted by DanL View Post
Read your manual. This is common behavior in modern AMD mobos. If you populate the NVMe slots, some of the SATA connectors will not be available.
connectors support SATA
data cables for internal
storage devices with up to
6.0 Gb/s data transfer rate.
* M2_2 and SATA3_5_6
share lanes. If either one
of them is in use, the other
one will be disabled.
Just read the manual for this board, thanks for the heads up.
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Way, way too soon. Been using a T410 for years and would rather not have to choose between switching hardware or switching distros. Also using an old Core 2 as a media PC. That one is getting pretty long in the tooth but still works.
If the hardware is still viable (excluding niche use cases), it should be supported. I feel it would be tough to make a decent case for supporting single core x86 systems from the 90's to early 00's but once you get in to the x86_64 / multi core space it becomes much easier to justify maintaining support.
Though at some point a line does need to be drawn based on the goals of the distro.
Do any of the major distros collect data on hardware usage? I seem to remember back in the old days you could send details of your hardware via the installer. Would be good for Fedora to introduce something like this (opt in of course) so they could get a baseline of what is still actively being used. Though I seem to recall last time they tried (to get a view of actual real world installs) a bunch of people were completely irrational about perceived privacy implications.
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Originally posted by RahulSundaram View Post
Keep in mind, it is a public mailing list and anyone can post ideas. This is a volunteer contributor posting his personal idea. If it is popular and people don't see a problem, it may get implemented. Quite frequently on changes like this, people point out issues and it gets shot down. I wouldn't freak out just because an idea gets posted in a list. If you have something useful to contribute, feel free to participate though
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