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Originally posted by zexelon View PostWhen can Wine get Office, Revit and SolidWorks working please?!? Though these days FreeCAD is becoming a more viable option for the last one.
With the actual Visual Studio plus WSL2 it is on Windows possible, to write Linux-programs on it, running and debugging it with WSL2 and detecting performance flaws, etc.
So, if Visual Studio would running on Linux, you would also create and debugging Linux programs on it.
It is in WINE possible to start Linux programs in it:
Code:wine cmd start /unix /usr/bin/xclock
Code:wine cmd / c start /unix /usr/bin/xclock
So you could use every Windows-IDE running on WINE to compile ans start Linux-programs on it.
And possible you could also debugging Linux-programs inside Windows IDEs on WINE.
If it is possible for Windows with WSL2, why then not with Linux and WINE?
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Originally posted by dlq84 View Post
You say, that with a donation, it will be quicker.
What is missing? The specific answer:
How much must be donated, that the support will be until which time implemented?
So without that specific answer, it is more like: Donate and then it will be in any time be implemented or not.
So in this case, the better link would be to CodeWeavers. Thats a company, which gives guaranties.
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Originally posted by theuserbl View Post
His question was: When will it be happen?
You say, that with a donation, it will be quicker.
What is missing? The specific answer:
How much must be donated, that the support will be until which time implemented?
So without that specific answer, it is more like: Donate and then it will be in any time be implemented or not.
So in this case, the better link would be to CodeWeavers. Thats a company, which gives guaranties.
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Originally posted by avis View PostThe headline is obviously incorrect.
In time for this release 25 bugs were marked as fixed. Does not mean any of them were actually fixed between Wine 8 rc3-rc4.
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I think we should just stand back for a moment and think about what staggering and amazing pieces of software WINE and the Valve supported fork Proton are.
The Steam Deck is, after all, a little (but powerful) x86-64 Linux computer running Arch Linux ... not Windows, emulated Windows or a virtual machine of Windows. Almost every game you run on the Steam Deck is a Windows game, written primarily for Windows. WINE is translating Windows 64-bit API calls/DirectX calls (real time and mostly at 95%+ of native speed) to Linux ABI kernel/library calls. It works. Very well. Not with ALL applications as you say but with an amazing number of applications.
I run Linux Mint because I like the Cinnamon Desktop and have to work with people who use Windows and just occasionally have to run something on my laptop. They understand it. It works. I love it! I have Steam installed on my laptop (which is a 4yo Asus ROG). It struggles with the very latest games (but it would under Windows as well). I loving playing the Metro 2033 series of games (and similar FPS games on it). That's on Linux Mint using the WINE translation layer to run Windows games and run them well. I might switch to another distro (like Ubuntu or Manjaro KDE - both of which I like) as unfortunately Linux Mint seems stuck on Xorg for the foreseeable future which is a shame. Everyone has their favourite desktop/editor/programming language. Wars have been fought over less!
I use the latest LibreOffice which works well for me. I have used LibreOffice (and previously OpenOffice) for over a decade now without having problems swapping documents with colleagues. I know some people have had a lot of problems with interoperability. I have had some formatting problems but nothing serious. Works for me. Your experience may be different. Microsoft seem to be moving more and more over to a subscription model (like Office 365) which you can use on Linux. I use Google Docs/Mail/Drive (because I like my information shared with the rest of the world ... rolls eyes) but it works for me. I will probably move over to NextCloud although my Pi CM4/Axzez Interceptor based file/application server might struggle with that and all the other stuff running on it. Might need another Pi server :-)
My feeling is that Microsoft Windows and Office as paid for applications will become a lower priority. They will concentrate on SAAS and PAAS (for Windows) especially in the context of Azure. It has taken decades but people are (very slowly) starting to discover open source applications fir day-to-day use. Look at the Raspberry Pi 400 and how usable that is for light office work. I use one myself as a test rig computer. It runs Kodi beautifully! Modern games - I don't think so but it does run Doom and Quake 2 :-) Think of more people using them in schools in the USA/UK (where I am). It would be 10x better with a built-in M.2 SSD slot (or even built in eMMC like the CM4).
I agree that more could be done in terms of WINE comparability with premier applications like Microsoft Office, SolidWorks or emulation layers like OpenAL but gives the developers a break (or volunteer to help maybe) . I would like to know how much crossover (pun is deliberate) there is between WINE and ReactOS.
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Originally posted by CochainComplex View Post
I do understand the subtile difference you want to point out. But can you realy ever state that a bug is fixed unless you can mathematicaly prove that there are no existing circumstances that this bug can appear again? The most bugs got titled as fixed if enough runs have sufficiently showed that it does not pop up again. There is always a convergent principle of proof implied.
"Wine 8.0-rc4 Released With Other 25 Bug Reports Closed"
So, there are two errors here. Not "fixed" but "closed", not "bugs" but "Bug reports".
I'm not a native English speaker but it looks like "Another 25 bug reports" is also incorrect as this adjective can only be applied to the singular, not the plural.
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Originally posted by UseLinuxNotWindows View PostI think we should just stand back for a moment and think about what staggering and amazing pieces of software WINE and the Valve supported fork Proton are.
FTFY.
Also, you should think that maybe Windows is not a bad OS after all and using Linux amounts to constantly fighting with bugs and regressions and using Wine/DXVK, no matter how good they are, will always be a hit and miss depending on the title while in Windows you just install and run (aside from very old games using very old versions of Direct3D (before 8.0) but those won't always work with Wine either).
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Originally posted by user1 View PostRecently I realized that Wine needs the Linux native OpenAL package to be installed in order for Windows software that uses OpenAL to work. Does anyone know if this situation will change when Wine will finish its PE conversion, or will it remain the same?
If OpenAL is distributed together with your Windows application, have you tried to adding a DLL override and mark it as native? If my understanding is correct, it would make Wine choose the native Windows DLL over the built-in Wine implementation.
I doubt it would be different when the PE conversion is finished, but I might be wrong
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