Ubuntu 22.10 Switching To PipeWire For Linux Audio Handling

[lumks]

> you see only gnome as enterprise ready desktop on, well, enterprise distros.

KDE Plasma, with distributions like Kubuntu, have paid support available, ready for enterprise. It also comes preinstalled (as e.g. Kubuntu) with computers (even laptops) from Tuxedo, Slimbook, etc.

Paid support doesnt mean enterprise ready. You can get paid support probably for everything on linux - you just need to find the people who want the money.

> everything is getting in my way and just screams out "Change this, change that, resize this, shrink that, enable this"

Can you share a screenshot of everything getting in your way and screaming out "Change this, change that, resize this, shrink that, enable this"?

No, it's the interaction. The first thing I still do is to resize windows for almost every application I launch, next I enable or disable menubars on some apps where I (dont) need them. The small things.

> proper SMB support. I don't hate Plasma (or any other desktop for that sake), it's just more work then it's should be.

Would you share a bug about that proper SMB support? It works well for me and I'm curious.

For example: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436553 but in general everything that "streams" data via smb is a problem and / or general KIO shares for non-KDE apps

Please don't get me wrong. This sounds so much more worse then it is. Plasma *is* nice and *is* usable. I just believe that for the majority of power-/prof-users, GNOME works better because it just works (most of the time) and is well integrated.

[Mez']

GNOME moves a lot faster. So, for some people, simple, but quick is more productivity. There is a lot of linux desktops which represent different usage styles...

Gnome doesn't move fast at all. They only just left the macOS aqua theme of 2011 for another macOS copycat (adwaita) now of 2015. In general, they have the NIH syndrome and it uses an old paradigm (exposé from macOS and exposé + the scale plugin of Compiz they just reinvented).
It has less features than before. It's getting more and more in the way of your workflow. It leaves the hard work of efficient desktops to 3rd party extensions. It's not simple, it's limited.
Whenever you need to be productive and do actual and more complex stuff, you need extensions so that it doesn't get in your way.
I'm a Gnome user but what makes it decent and usable is everything that is not Gnome team developed. Fortunately, there are much smarter people out there making up for what it lacks. And much better designer to give us decent themes.

[GI_Jack]

Yeah, you'd think that most Linux users would want the more feature-packed and customizable software, which is KDE. GNOME seems to try to target very novice users (which should account for 0% of Linux desktop users), and it does so with a desktop environment that would be unfamiliar to them.

GNOME moves a lot faster. So, for some people, simple, but quick is more productivity. There is a lot of linux desktops which represent different usage styles...

[nanonyme]

It's a text editor. It's UTF-8 aware, it has syntax highlighting, simple search&replace and sane controls, that's it. What else do you want from a TEXT EDITOR? It's not intended nor designed for advanced requirements such as auto-formatting, language analyser integration, debugger and git integration etc. There is software for that (my personal favourite being VS Codium), this one is for displaying README files and some basic editing. And yes, being pleasant to use is essential.

It actually is the only lightweight text editor I found which supports editorconfig spec out of the box without scraping for various plugins. That's a huge thing to have for a text editor for programming.

[F.Ultra]

As mentioned previously Wayland is missing functionality for this use: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayla...ge_requests/45

https://psychtoolbox.discourse.group...en-window/4277

Well that is more of an opinion that presenting some hard technical facts, now I have zero knowledge in the specific use case that this software is using but I find it strange that the claim is a lack of precision timing when software like MangoHud can show frame times under Wayland, but then it probably uses the OpenGL/Vulkan timings for that while this psychtool software probably aims to be platform independent and thus don't want to use OpenGL/Vulkan directly?

[C8292]

Also, as a wayland user, saying it has surpassed X11 is another manipulation. I switch back regularly to X when I need to do something more complex.

Like what?

[Mez']

It's always kinda funny when the [other DE] trolls invade any thread with gnome hate and the same stereotypes again and again and again. It's so foreseeable.

Meanwhile: happily using Gnome 42. Even being a professional user, doing development taks, server and infrastructure maintenance taks, lots of communication, some video creation for yt,...

And to make it even more outrageous: I think wayland has long surpassed X11 in terms of useful features and everyday performance. No kidding.

It's funny how one of the king of (paid) trolls comes to manipulate others into thinking critics against Gnome are from KDE users.
As a Gnome/Budgie user who hasn't used KDE in 16 years, I feel like the critics (from every DE user) are spot on.

Also, as a wayland user, saying it has surpassed X11 is another manipulation. I switch back regularly to X when I need to do something more complex.
You must work closely with Red Hat to throw those misleading ideas with so much confidence.

[polarathene]

Yes, the workflow in GNOME requires a bit of getting used to, and it starts making sense once you're familiar with it.

You're supposed to launch apps in their own workspaces. From the overview you can either drag-and-drop app icons into different workspaces, or if you prefer keyboard-based workflows, use Ctrl+Alt+Right/Left to switch workspaces and type app names in the overview. Window management then happens through workspaces, either from the overview, keyboard shortcuts, or touchpad gestures (Wayland only).
That's why in the default experience, there's no minimize buttons, and no panel to restore minimized apps from.

I'm personally too used to this workflow that I have a bad time when forced to use Windows occasionally, with muscle memory getting in the way.

As I haven't tried using Gnome extensively, I don't know how common it is when using apps like Unigine Heaven which open a launcher window. This is the one I wanted to minimize, so launching it on a different workspace doesn't change much other than require more fiddling around? That then launches the actual app in another window. Not sure what toolkit it uses for UI, so perhaps that's part of the issue.

Personally, if the window has a decoration for the close interaction, and there is ample free space available beside it (as is the case), there is no realistic reason not to have a minimize button there beyond aesthetic preference? KDE Plasma makes this easy in settings to adjust order or remove the minimize button if you don't want it. I found it odd that you had to know about Gnome Tweaks and grab that from the Software app to make such a change.

For now I'm too stuck in my ways and will keep a minimize button around while I can 😅

[Mez']

GNOME is really nice to the eyes for me. IMO, it's the most beautiful desktop UI out there. And GNOME Circle apps are very good.

However, it has 2 major issues:

1. It's impossible to adjust mouse wheel scrolling speed in Wayland. However, the team is already in the process of implementing this feature.
2. The file chooser doesn't have a thumbnail mode, thus the worst file chooser out there because it's extremely hard for the users to choose the right file, especially when choosing a picture. This issue has been reported 18 years ago.

The 2 issues above are not present in KDE... But I won't be using KDE anytime soon because I just don't like every aspect of the UI. It's not like they're too complicated to use, but the design just look ancient in my eyes. I am fine with a lot of options. In fact, I like options (when they're presenting themselves properly). I can't find something like GNOME Circle in KDE land. Only a few apps has beautiful UI.

I came from Windows 11 to Fedora 36 without any regret.

Adwaita is objectively one of the most inconsistent and ugly theme out there. So, you'd have to be more specific when you use the word "beautiful".

Then, Gnome Circle apps are just the usual Gnome NIH (their specialty) and for the most part entirely useless because a. there are a crapload of much better, well known, well featured apps already in place and b. they have no features (so you need a. anyway anytime you need to do actual stuff).
I know they are not the same devs as Gnome core devs, but it's such a waste of effort and resources when Gnome is so desperately in need of resources to implement and maintain basic features required by half of its users.
This effort should go to internalizing the most popular extensions and make a pareto effect of 20% most popular extensions for 80% happier Gnome users (than the current 10-20%). It would be cleaner than the hacks people have to resort to (extensions) to bring Gnome into a modern paradigm.

[Mez']

You can minimise windows but you must enable the maximise/minimise buttons (it's in the appearance settings or in GNOME Tweak, I don't remember). Yes it's silly but you do it once and then it's problem solved.

Fortunately, you can do it indeed.
The problem with Gnome's overview and vanilla inability to minimize windows is when you have 5-6 instances running of an app. In the overview, it takes forever to distinguish which is what, and then you get all the inactive windows behind your active window, all sized differently and often with similar colors. It is confusion hell to resize or move your window. It happens to me many many times that I pick the wrong one and lose focus, then it is another hell to find the wanted window again as it's entirely behind others.

And it gets even worse when you have several instances for several apps. Smaller window thumbnails in the overview, and more to pick from. I'm talking about a very normal workflow after a couple hours on your computer (and even more if working). To add to the misery, Nautilus can't do dual pane since v3, more windows to pick from, more confusion.

And it's why Unity or the Dash-to-dock extension (or Dash-to-panel for some) or the Icon Task List in Budgie make (made) for a much more modern paradigm. It's way way faster to just scroll a couple times on the dock's icon until you get the expected window.