Following NetBSD, DragonFlyBSD Now Has "COVID"

[archZFSman]

Fixed that for you.

And this is why humanity doesn't seem to be able to collectively solve problems at this present time in history.

The credentials of the quacks...

Dr. Robert Malone - inventor of mRNA technology.

Dr. Peter McCollough - the most __highly cited__ cardiologist and __first__ to publish on early covid treatment guidelines and treatment trials in peer-reviewed journals.

Dr. Luc Montagnier - Virologist and Nobel Prize Winner.

Dr. Mike Yeadon, Former VP of Pfizer.

Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche - Former Virologist oof GAVI and the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.

Dr. Pierre Kory, Pulmonary and Critical Care Specialist, gave extensive U.S. Senate testimony

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi - Immunologist, Professor Emeritus and Head of Institute of Medical Microbology and Hygeine, Gutenberg University - Mainz, Germany

[coder]

Or maybe the snowflakes are the people who insist on their institutional narrative being pushed everywhere, and get upset when people don't want to hear it.

I can't speak for the snowflakes, but I think it's not good when harmful misinformation and disinformation is being spread. If you don't believe in science, then maybe reject all of it, not just the parts that interfere with your politics.

And what distinguishes real science from pseudo-science is when there's a proper study that's reviewed by fellow experts, published for review by an even broader community of experts, and then the findings are consistently reproduced. Some wacko can play games with data and post up literally anything on a blog or video that might even sound reasonable to "educated" people who aren't experts in the field. That's why they shouldn't be trusted.

If their theories are sound, then they should convince other experts by collecting data and publishing in journals. That's how you help the greatest number of people; not by making blog posts to the public that also happen to earn them ad revenue and notoriety.

[Gonk]

The problem is largely a huge amount of disinformation that is spreading around, even among theoreticly big media. For example i saw tons of bullshit like that vaccine kills people. Well... it happened to extremly low %, to a point it is so low, it is hard to decide if death came from random occurances (heart attack? stroke?) or not. The nature of any test trials, is that doctors have to note ANY side effects during treatment, even ones unrelated. Professor that treats me for very rare disease, told me that once she had to write down that medicine coused fatness (in reality there were no other reports of that) because patient insisted it is because of that.

It goes even beyond that. Doctors also have to report side effects of the placebo in trials. All that information is included in the report that gets sent to regulators, and eventually winds up published in (here in Canada) in a big blue book called Compendium of Pharmaceuticals and Specialties.

Say you're Devlin-MacGregor and you are testing a new heart medication called Provasic-B. Everything goes smoothly, you've resolved the problem with liver damage that Provasic-A had, but one person in the placebo group develops leprosy. That goes into the report to the regulatory bodies, then publications like CPS, then some layperson looks it up when their doctor prescribes Provasic-B, and then they refuse to take it because they don't want to get leprosy. Doctors HATE HATE HATE this.

[piotrj3]

Can you elaborate, why this statement is also true for long-term consequences?

Valid point, but thing is way vaccines work and mechanism of antibodies is well known and that generally means long term effects are extremly unlikely as simply any byproducts of vaccine are gone long term. Vaccines do not introduce cancer, those vaccines do not have any heavy metals accumulating in your body etc. etc.

Humanity have a lot of vaccines having similar way of working and none of them produced long term negative effects simply.

[piotrj3]

It goes even beyond that. Doctors also have to report side effects of the placebo in trials. All that information is included in the report that gets sent to regulators, and eventually winds up published in (here in Canada) in a big blue book called Compendium of Pharmaceuticals and Specialties.

Say you're Devlin-MacGregor and you are testing a new heart medication called Provasic-B. Everything goes smoothly, you've resolved the problem with liver damage that Provasic-A had, but one person in the placebo group develops leprosy. That goes into the report to the regulatory bodies, then publications like CPS, then some layperson looks it up when their doctor prescribes Provasic-B, and then they refuse to take it because they don't want to get leprosy. Doctors HATE HATE HATE this.

This exactly happened during test trial of Pfizer vaccine. 6 people die. After deeper investigation it turned out 4 people out of 6 who died were having placebo.

[piotrj3]

You're just saying whatever it takes, this is motivated reasoning.

Yes, the vaccine kills people, how many people? We don't know. Why don't we know? Doctors are actually NOT AT ALL required to report the effects, and there is no practical way that those reports would be gathered. VAERS is experiencing more reports than ever before, and the people who operate that database will tell you that it is underreporting.

And even for those who are satisfied with the risk benefit balance of the vaccines, there are alternative prophylactics to vaccines which are about as effective and which have a multi-decade safety record rather than a multi month safety record (ivermectin having about 40 years of clinical history, and orders of magnitude fewer associated severe adverse events when compared to the vaccines, and fewer deaths as well).

There is so many things wrong with what you wrote and probably you don't understand reality.

1st. Death isn't unreported and we know those rates and they are public, death is overreported because it is reported even in cases totally unrelated. For example Pfizer has theoretically 3 times higher death rate then Johnson&Johnson. Oh it proves correlation right? Nope, Pfizer vaccine is actually due to smaller side effects and less invasive mechanism prescribed to elderly and potentially already ill patients. That means those people are having a lot higher chance to die and that is it. In test trials vs placebo, more people died due to placebo then due to vaccine.

2nd. You quote ivermectin as effective against COVID. Now let's talk about fault of that process.

To prove in clinical trials that medicine is effective to treat something you have few phases (mostly 4). In 4 phases medicine on its own needs to prove it is effective it has to also prove to be effective against placebo in truly randomized population of ill people etc. Now COVID vaccines went only 3 phases mostly because those 3 phases were having much higher population and mechanism of vaccines is well known so potential long term dangers are minimal and chance of that something is false positive was extremly small due to big population testing. Not to mention process of that testing is quite strict and needs to be compatible with both American and European standards.

Then you pick ivermectin that was only tested as scientific paper by some people from Melbourne that only tested effectivness of medicine under microscope to say medicine works. Those tests are done under huge doses of medicine. And only such tests say definitivly that it works. Those tests do not meet guidelines and requirements to say medicine works. Often it is opposite because circumstances inside body are radically diffrent and required dose cannot be achieved.

And by the way, someone did make tests on humans experimentally later and study did not found this medicine to be effective over placebo https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2777389 .

FDA, european medical agency and few other agencies all said that ivermectin is not recommended and should be only used during clinical trials as current data is simply not sufficient and quality ones we have like one above doesn't show it works. Even if it was proven to be working it doesn't solve big problem - that we don't have enough doctors to treat unrestricted wave of pandemic. The great way of preventing spread of pandemic and preventing both spread and getting ill in first place is vaccination.

Scientists are simply people who are paid and get known around world for publishing studies. This is why studies often simply say straight up lie, with poor p value =.05 . I recommend watching Veritassium video about it https://youtu.be/42QuXLucH3Q . First it can happen by accident, 2nd it can be p-hacked to show correlation that doesn't work and i am not even talking about bigger scams like directly segregating test subjects to show something. The reason why FDA, European medical agency and much more organization have such strict multi-stage trials with placebo groups is to make sure medicine actually works and that sideeffects are known. Current vaccines did pass it, Ivermectin is really far from it.

[pal666]

Yes, the vaccine kills people

if vaccine will kill you, real virus will kill you even more

, how many people? We don't know. Why don't we know? Doctors are actually NOT AT ALL required to report the effects

who told you this bullshit?

And even for those who are satisfied with the risk benefit balance of the vaccines, there are alternative prophylactics to vaccines which are about as effective and which have a multi-decade safety record rather than a multi month safety record (ivermectin having about 40 years of clinical history, and orders of magnitude fewer associated severe adverse events when compared to the vaccines, and fewer deaths as well).

moron, neither ivermectin nor snake oil are effective against covid. and btw, ivermectin kills people. surely people who are as clueless as you shouldn't be allowed to do decision making in any serious circumstances(including current one)

[pal666]

Can you elaborate, why this statement is also true for long-term consequences?

what can you tell us about long-term consequences of contracting covid without being vaccinated?(hint: similar statement is definitely not true in such case)

[pal666]

Or maybe the snowflakes are the people who insist on their institutional narrative being pushed everywhere, and get upset when people don't want to hear it.

you seem to think that law enforcement people are snowflakes

[pal666]

Which is why OpenBSD will survive the apocalypse.

how do you kill that which has no life? btw, now it has covid reference https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3I4wpHshuw