i guess (non-trans)males felt increasing pressure and stood up to challenge. everyone benefits from competition, right?
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Data Suggests CoC + Outreachy Hasn't Helped Increase Female Participation In Debian
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Lol, not surprising.
You can't force diversity or force good conduct. It isn't natural and will have the opposite of the desired effect. Diversity can happen naturally if our guiding ethos is to treat people as individuals rather than grouping people into categories. I would be in favour of a simplified CoC that followed that a simple message of respecting each other as individuals. But instead they are political statements following a extreme one sided agenda that is vindictive, closed minded and hateful.
Every single time a CoC was mentioned over the last year the forums would go up in fire as we denounced them, yet corporations push for them because they have been bullied into doing the "socially acceptable" thing.
Maybe we should as a community come up with a politically neutral CoC that focuses on individuality and respect, without spreading an agenda?
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Originally posted by Volta View Post
As a typical housewife you have no clue about reality. Men are just much better in IT. You can start your own female project and prove me wrong, but I'm feeling I'll be laughing hard after seeing the end result.
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Originally posted by niner View PostThere could also be other factors, that weren't looked at. Did any cultural changes occur in the same time frame? Maybe Debian has become a worse place for women despite the efforts of CoC and Outreachy? Maybe adopting a CoC and spending money on diversity programs actually triggered an adverse reaction in the male developer community because e.g. they envy paid female developers?
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Originally posted by rene View PostWell you would be surprised how many females were in IT decades ago before annoying nerd men alienated them away. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_computing
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Well imagine my shock.
The core of the ‘problem’ is not conduct, it's interest. Stop trying to engineer society to look like your fantasy world where despite the fact that men and women differ in every conceivable way, that somehow stopped at the brain.
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Originally posted by rene View Post
Well you would be surprised how many females were in IT decades ago before annoying nerd men alienated them away. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_computing
No great change where men suddenly were too off-putting to be co-workers happened, the day to day reality of roles in computing completely changed, and so did the external social dynamic.
And beyond that, this is Debian contributors, they hardly have to see eachother ever. All you need to contribute to Debian is an interest in making a change to Debian, and the technical ability to make it happen or find out how; and conversely in order not to contribute, you just need to lack one of these, and it's not like everyone contributing to Debian is employed full time in software or went to university for it.
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