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    Phoronix: Intel 2018Q1 Graphics Stack Recipe

    Last week Intel's Open-Source Technology Center released their latest quarterly "graphics stack recipe" for the Linux desktop...

    http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...8Q1-Gfx-Recipe

  • #2
    That's a pretty horrible "recipe" for some of us. I have a laptop with a Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-5500U CPU and
    00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation HD Graphics 5500 (rev 09)

    I upgraded to Fedora 28 Beta yesterday and got the 4.16.3 kernel. Xorg froze a few minutes after logging in, tried a few times and this happened every time. My system still had the 4.15.17 kernel from Fedora 27 and Xorg works as fine as it's done for a few years now after booting into that. I have no idea what Intel did wrong in the 4.16 kernels but for the chip I've got it's a totally useless kernel.

    If someone's curious exactly what's wrong with 4.16 then I can't help you, so sorry. The computer totally freezes. No ssh, no switching to a terminal with ctl-alt-f2, no nothing, it just hangs on X and there's no more information to be had, nothing is written to logs and nothing can be revealed. On this the good old Wintendo 98 was better since it would give some information on the screen (apparently this has changed and the latest wintendo just tells you Oops something went wrong).

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    • #3
      What do you expect, AMD on Windows makes you one driver recipe per laptop lifetime Eventually there might be another one, only if customers complain too much or if OS really breaks something, but that is all.

      That is what should be on linux nowdays also for laptops, one long term kernel supported, one stronK recipe around that and good bye

      Wanna rolling instead? Cool, then just bookmark bugzillas and file at least 10 bugs per quartal
      Last edited by dungeon; 04-22-2018, 11:38 AM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by xiando View Post
        On this the good old Wintendo 98 was better since it would give some information on the screen (apparently this has changed and the latest wintendo just tells you Oops something went wrong).
        To be fair, it was usually either very generic or extremely specific and in most cases it was also completely wrong or completely useless (as you lacked most of the info to actually decypher what the error was about and Microsoft support didn't give a shit too).

        If someone's curious exactly what's wrong with 4.16 then I can't help you, so sorry.
        What happens if you add systemd.unit=rescue.target or systemd.unit=multiuser.target to your kernel command-line (from GRUB or whatever bootloader Fedora is using)?

        That should disable the loading of Xorg (among other things) and you should land in a text console.
        Last edited by starshipeleven; 04-22-2018, 05:06 PM.

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        • #5
          I can get to a text console just fine since I've got a working 4.15.17 kernel. I can simply disable lightdm and boot 4.16.3 and have a text-console. But it doesn't really help much since the lock-ups with 4.16.3 are hard freezes where nothing is written to logs when the machine freezes, it totally locks up and there's no sshing into it or anything. It did help rule out if there's the other power-related changes Fedora's done with 4.16.3 like bluetooth autosuspend and SATA link power-management. Setting those to the same as on 4.15.17 before starting lightdm doens't help.

          The points about Wintendo 98 are probably valid, I honestly don't remember what kind of text it spat out, I just remember there was some. Of course the kernel can panic and give some details too. But that's not the case here, sadly, the picture on the screen just stays the same and the machine is totally frozen.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by xiando View Post
            That's a pretty horrible "recipe" for some of us. I have a laptop with a Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-5500U CPU and
            00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation HD Graphics 5500 (rev 09)

            I upgraded to Fedora 28 Beta yesterday and got the 4.16.3 kernel. Xorg froze a few minutes after logging in, tried a few times and this happened every time. My system still had the 4.15.17 kernel from Fedora 27 and Xorg works as fine as it's done for a few years now after booting into that. I have no idea what Intel did wrong in the 4.16 kernels but for the chip I've got it's a totally useless kernel.

            If someone's curious exactly what's wrong with 4.16 then I can't help you, so sorry. The computer totally freezes. No ssh, no switching to a terminal with ctl-alt-f2, no nothing, it just hangs on X and there's no more information to be had, nothing is written to logs and nothing can be revealed. On this the good old Wintendo 98 was better since it would give some information on the screen (apparently this has changed and the latest wintendo just tells you Oops something went wrong).
            Yeah, 4.16 has been pretty harsh for me too ( Skylake / HD Graphics 520 ). Maybe they broke stuff while adding 'IceLake' support? Hopefully my next work-sponsored laptop has an AMD GPU. By the way ... I can usually reboot the system with ALT + SysRq + [ S + U + B ] ( ie while holding ALT + SysRq, hit in sequence: S U B ).

            Edit: Oh! I just realised ... 4.16 is also when the Intel security workarounds ... Spectre etc ... landed in-kernel. Plus there's the unstable microcode that Intel pushed out and then withdrew. Actually ... I hope my next work-sponsored laptop has an AMD CPU as well.
            Last edited by dkasak; 04-23-2018, 12:23 AM.

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            • #7
              i still use ddx driver for power saving and stability

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              • #8
                Originally posted by xiando View Post
                That's a pretty horrible "recipe" for some of us. I have a laptop with a Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-5500U CPU and
                00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation HD Graphics 5500 (rev 09)

                I upgraded to Fedora 28 Beta yesterday and got the 4.16.3 kernel. Xorg froze a few minutes after logging in, tried a few times and this happened every time. My system still had the 4.15.17 kernel from Fedora 27 and Xorg works as fine as it's done for a few years now after booting into that. I have no idea what Intel did wrong in the 4.16 kernels but for the chip I've got it's a totally useless kernel.
                Hey, I work with Intel on this sort of topics, could you please write a bug report about it? I will make sure that we investigate it as our Broadwells are working fine with Linux 4.16 for performance testing (no public links, sorry) and IGT (https://intel-gfx-ci.01.org/tree/lin...bdw-5557u.html).

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                • #9
                  So what is the recommended configuration with Kaby Lake G? And why is there only "supported hardware", wouldn't it be good to have a list of "unsupported hardware" too?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by chithanh View Post
                    So what is the recommended configuration with Kaby Lake G? And why is there only "supported hardware", wouldn't it be good to have a list of "unsupported hardware" too?
                    Turns out not even Linux 4.17 has the AMDGPU bits necessary... I have someone who is testing things for me and via 4.17 or -next aren't even the PCI IDs in the kernel.
                    Michael Larabel
                    http://www.michaellarabel.com/

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