The Future Direction & Purpose Of Wayland's Weston Is Being Revisited

[johnc]

And nothing of all that has anything to do with the state of Wayland itself.
Wayland is stable and in shipping products.

So is DirectFB.

[zxy_thf]

This!

I use/develop for the Jolla phone and it works wonderfuly. The UI is stable and smooth, no jerkyness, much more responsive than any android. Qt5 works fine there, my question is why are we not seeing this on the desktop?

Plenty of legacy applications call libX11 or libxcb at somewhere in their code.
Some of them even depends on features of X11 (e.g. Synergy).

[xeekei]

i don't see Mate ever really making the jump to wayland.

Then what was the point of forking GNOME 2 if they were just going to become obselete anyway? Of course MATE is going to get Wayland support.

[Ericg]

Then what was the point of forking GNOME 2 if they were just going to become obselete anyway? Of course MATE is going to get Wayland support.

Why do people still support Trinity (KDE 3 fork)? Some people fully intend to use X.org and Gnome 2 until the day they die no matter what else comes down the line or what the distros do.

[Awesomeness]

Then what was the point of forking GNOME 2 if they were just going to become obselete anyway? Of course MATE is going to get Wayland support.

Wayland support is on the roadmap (just like systemd support ) http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/roadmap
I do not follow Mate but after a quick look it appears Mate development is more active than Xfce, so they might even able to pull it off.

[Awesomeness]

Why do people still support Trinity (KDE 3 fork)?

Nobody does.

[CrystalGamma]

I use/develop for the Jolla phone and it works wonderfuly. The UI is stable and smooth, no jerkyness, much more responsive than any android. Qt5 works fine there, my question is why are we not seeing this on the desktop?

You must be using a different Jolla than I am. Swiping and scrolling is extremely laggy and framerate is all over the place. Drivers lock up about once a week.
Any hints as to how to get to the same UX as you?

[89c51]

You must be using a different Jolla than I am. Swiping and scrolling is extremely laggy and framerate is all over the place. Drivers lock up about once a week.
Any hints as to how to get to the same UX as you?

Better frame rate is coming to up10 (opt in up9). I never ever had drivers locking up and i have uptimes of months (only updates force me to reboot).

[mark45]

SailfishOS uses Qt and Wayland and does so since 2013.

I'm talking about the desktop, not mobiles or cars or sex toys running on Linux.

Xdg-shell is part of the Wayland (desktop) stack (like libinput and whatnot) because for the desktop Wayland isn't specific enough, which xdg-shell is supposed to address, and it's not finished, hence the toolkits are not finished. Up to this fall they haven't figured out completely DND and something else, can't recall.

[erendorn]

You must be using a different Jolla than I am. Swiping and scrolling is extremely laggy and framerate is all over the place. Drivers lock up about once a week.
Any hints as to how to get to the same UX as you?

I've had a smooth experience overall, what is your typical use-case? I only keep open native apps, usually 6/8. Has yours been lagging since you bought it?
The Jolla phone does not have very impressive hardware, so it's not that surprising that one can make it lag.