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Originally posted by BO$$ View PostThe best integration of the linux desktop right now is Ubuntu. Neither fedora, or openSUSE, or slackware wor arch is anything close to it. Combine with the fact that they try to push Ubuntu to come preinstalled on hardware it will be the best thing happening to linux in the last decade. Stop bitching about Canonical they are the only ones really putting money in promoting linux desktop. They make deals with hardware vendors. That is what got Microsoft so popular and that is what will get Canonical popular. There are a lot of things that Microsoft got right. Emulate them don't fight them. You just want to be different for the sake of being different without realizing that being different doesn't get you dominant in the desktop area. A lot of the behavior that gets you into power is pretty much standardized thoroughout history. Thinking that this time it will be different for those who want to get into power is simpy a delusion. You will have to emulate a lot of the behavior of those who got in power before you if you ever hope to get in power yourself. So for Canonical they seem to be on the right track for now.
Don't complain. Just remember that for 15 years all of you fanbois of other distros than Ubuntu couldn't get shit for market share. Now somebody means business and you feel threatened. It's okay to feel threatened. They are better. Superior in every way. It is the reason you resist them. That in itself shows me that they actually have a chance if they silence you. And it's really not that hard to make you not be heard especially with their marketing machine. Your screams simply do not register.
Again. Emulate those that got in power before you if you ever want a chance to get in power yourself. That is what you never quite understood. You wanted to be really different without realizing that being different just doesn't cut it and it will always make you a niche player. Canonical on the other hand understood that and what it takes to actually have a chance. Now they are simply executing that plan. And it works. After all Ubuntu is the most popular distribution. And if they don't get mired down with your idealistic bullshit they might even take on windows who lately lost its way.
EDIT: And don't you think it's kinda the point that Canonical doesnt listen? X devs, Wayland devs, GTK devs, Gnome devs, KDE devs. They don't listen to any of them.
EDIT2: Fuck power. That's the reason I started using linux in the first place.Last edited by duby229; 15 May 2013, 08:10 PM.
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Originally posted by chithanh View PostNo, the most successful one is Google.
Anyway, from the context it's clear that GNU/Linux is the topic here, so for you hair splitting people: Red Hat is the most successful GNU/Linux distributor.
Originally posted by ninez View PostYeah really. While it may not be entirely accurate to say that Unity *is* Gnome - it is certainly accurate to say that Unity is a Shell for Gnome 3 (because it very much is).
Unity is not written using GNOME technologies: Currently it uses Nux as toolkit (not GTK or Clutter) and Compiz as WM (not Mutter). The on-screen keyboard is Maliit (Qt-based), not the GNOME's. The display manager is LightDM not GDM. To access online services, Qt-based Accounts-SSO is used instead of GNOME Online Accounts (the GNOME community actively boycotts Accounts-SSO).
Xfce uses more GNOME technologies than Unity.
How is “a shell for GNOME” defined anyway? Is it any shell used by a distribution bundled with a handful of GNOME applications? Does the use of Nautilus as Ubuntu's default file manager turn Unity into a GNOME shell?
Originally posted by Alex Sarmiento View PostYeah but not a lot of people use redhat desktop, is not impressive at all, and frankly fedora sucks right now. The whole point of redhat is their services business model for enterprise
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Originally posted by BO$$ View PostThe best integration of the linux desktop right now is Ubuntu. Neither fedora, or openSUSE, or slackware wor arch is anything close to it. Combine with the fact that they try to push Ubuntu to come preinstalled on hardware it will be the best thing happening to linux in the last decade. Stop bitching about Canonical they are the only ones really putting money in promoting linux desktop. They make deals with hardware vendors. That is what got Microsoft so popular and that is what will get Canonical popular. There are a lot of things that Microsoft got right. Emulate them don't fight them. You just want to be different for the sake of being different without realizing that being different doesn't get you dominant in the desktop area. A lot of the behavior that gets you into power is pretty much standardized thoroughout history. Thinking that this time it will be different for those who want to get into power is simpy a delusion. You will have to emulate a lot of the behavior of those who got in power before you if you ever hope to get in power yourself. So for Canonical they seem to be on the right track for now.
btw, When was the last time Canonical made hundreds of millions of dollars? or had 1 billion in cash reserves? (that they actually created through their own commerce? - ie: not being funded by Mark's big earnings from the dot com bubble?).. When was the last time that Canonical reported something like this;
Originally posted by Redhat says;September 2005
Red Hat reports a 42% year-over-year growth rate with $65.7 million in revenue for its fiscal second quarter results. This compares to growth rates of -4.9% for Novell and 9.4% for Microsoft.
Originally posted by BO$$ View PostDon't complain. Just remember that for 15 years all of you fanbois of other distros than Ubuntu couldn't get shit for market share. Now somebody means business and you feel threatened. It's okay to feel threatened. They are better. Superior in every way. It is the reason you resist them. That in itself shows me that they actually have a chance if they silence you. And it's really not that hard to make you not be heard especially with their marketing machine. Your screams simply do not register.
Originally posted by BO$$ View PostAgain. Emulate those that got in power before you if you ever want a chance to get in power yourself. That is what you never quite understood. You wanted to be really different without realizing that being different just doesn't cut it and it will always make you a niche player. Canonical on the other hand understood that and what it takes to actually have a chance. Now they are simply executing that plan. And it works. After all Ubuntu is the most popular distribution. And if they don't get mired down with your idealistic bullshit they might even take on windows who lately lost its way.
Frankly, if you think all of these FOSS projects / developers are seeking power, or want to be 'ruled over' and controlled by canonical (or even could be for that matter) it's you who is living in your own Steve Balmereque porno fantasy (which doesn't surprise me, by the way you talk).
A big part of FOSS is freedom, not a shady grab for power to have control over others - that is abuse... It's about a level playing field... Honestly, you should just install/use Windows - that's clearly more up your alley ~ and in reality, as soon as Ubuntu has a bug you can't fix, that is what you're probably going to do any way.Last edited by ninez; 15 May 2013, 09:49 PM.
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hijacked by true believers
Another chance to debate hijacked by the koolaid drinking fanbois who see ANY criticism of their precious similar to insulting their mothers.
So you then have children like Sarmiento throwing insults and childish comments left and right attacking the messenger and doing like all people who want to detract attention avoid talking about the message.
Grasslin makes great points here:
Frustration and lost Motivation
Before I go into more detail I want to make one thing clear: Canonical is totally allowed to develop whatever they want. I?m totally fine with this and don?t care whether they develop another display server, an own os kernel or yet another desktop shell. I couldn?t care less. It?s Canonical/Mark?s money and he can invest it in any way he considers as useful. I wouldn?t even care if it would be proprietary software, that?s all fine.
What is not fine is causing a major disruption in the free software ecosystem by giving false technical arguments and doing bold statements about software Canonical does not contribute to. This is not acceptable. This was very frustrating and destroyed lots of trust I had in Canonical. It will be difficult to rebuild this trust. Canonical can be glad that it is the free software world and not the normal corporate world. There were quite some statements which could have raised the legal department in the normal corporate world[3]. It also cost lots of motivation at least on my side and I even questioned whether it?s still worth to be a member of the free software ecosystem. Instead of working together we now have a situation where members of the ecosystem become a competitor and which badmouth part of the software stack. A very frustrating situation.
There certainly are valid reasons for developing Mir which also make sense. Unfortunately they have not been presented so far. I?m quite sure that I know the reasons and if they would have been said straight away it would have been for me and other projects probably much easier. It would have taken away the frustration which the announcement caused and we would not need to discuss it at all, because those question marks would not exist. But apparently Canonical decided to give false technical arguments over the real ones.
but instead we get the usual 'he's jealous' or 'haters gonna hate' quality of discussion.
Or worse, 'you cant talk about this because they do good things' or 'theyre our only hope'.
Pathetic.
Its like debating with Justin Bieber fans.
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Originally posted by Awesomeness View PostThat's propaganda spread by Canonical to shut up whining GNOME users after Canonical announced to no longer support GNOME.
Unity is not written using GNOME technologies: Currently it uses Nux as toolkit (not GTK or Clutter) and Compiz as WM (not Mutter). The on-screen keyboard is Maliit (Qt-based), not the GNOME's. The display manager is LightDM not GDM. To access online services, Qt-based Accounts-SSO is used instead of GNOME Online Accounts (the GNOME community actively boycotts Accounts-SSO).
Xfce uses more GNOME technologies than Unity.
In case, you weren't aware - the Gnome Stack is more than just a few packages AND just to bring you upto speed - the reason you only have to install a few packages in Default Ubuntu to get GS running is Because Ubuntu/Unity is a gnome-based desktop...
Originally posted by Awesomeness View PostHow is “a shell for GNOME” defined anyway? Is it any shell used by a distribution bundled with a handful of GNOME applications? Does the use of Nautilus as Ubuntu's default file manager turn Unity into a GNOME shell?
ubuntu doesn't use a 'handful of gnome applications' - they use most of the gnome stack, just modified and removing/replacing bits that give them better integration in Unity. and NO using Nautilus on the desktop doesn't make it Gnome-Shell (that is just stupid, no offense). For example, i have several different desktop shells that i _could_ switch between without logging out - while using the gnome stack; Cinnamon, GS and Compiz - they aren't complete DEs - they just run on top of them. where as Gnome, KDE, etc are full DEs,
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Originally posted by alexThunder View Posthttp://nvidianews.nvidia.com/Release...aming-8ac.aspx
It seems, they do care. Mainly because of Valve and you probably know, which distro they focus on.
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Originally posted by e8hffff View PostIf Mir become the better choice then it would be foolish for Kubuntu Developers to skip it. I see more politics of late than what's best for the Users.All opinions are my own not those of my employer if you know who they are.
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Originally posted by BO$$ View PostSomething tells me that Martin will get over his butthurt and just support whatever Canonical throws at him, or Red Hat for that matter. We will have both wayland and mir and it's gonna be nice to see all these devs complaining.
Originally posted by BO$$ View PostUnity is the most used Desktop Environment amongst Ubuntu 11.10 users according to our most recent poll. Just shy of 16,000 votes were cast (one vote per person) in the poll which asked readers "Which Desktop Environment Are You Using in Ubuntu 11.10?"
Plus Shuttleworth gave another poll but something tells me you don't trust anything coming from him.
Originally posted by Ubuntu pollThis isn?t so surprising given that a) the vote was held on an Ubuntu-orientated�website, and b) Unity is the default interface of Ubuntu 11.10.
But such a strong result does show that Unity is not as ?unpopular? as many disgruntled voices in the community proclaim it to be.
Originally posted by BO$$ View PostThey want to become a powerhouse. Right now they aren't the same size as Red Hat no one was saying that.
Originally posted by BO$$ View PostAnd then you wonder why linux is at 1%. Level playing field. It sounds so loserish don't you think? You can't play the game so you want others to become as inferior as you are just to be on a leveled playing field. And by the way I have both Windows and linux installed. Because that's how I roll. I have no affinity for anything nor loyalty. I just use what is best at this moment for what I need. Sometimes it's windows, sometimes it's linux.
Oh, you have loyalty all right - pages of nonsense proof that; Ubuntu fanboy apologist. beyond a shadow of doubt. ~ and no one said you couldn't be both a Windows user and Ubuntu princess - you totally can....especially, in your case
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