Nine Reasons Mesa 9.0 Is Disappointing For End-Users

[wargames]

my humble sugestion:

1. gather money(xorg foundation) for looots of cheap cards (too burn)
2. set up a (semi)automated blackbox rig or two
3. get some1 dumb enough to read hexdumps all day
4. lock him/them in a room with the rig's for a month, no proper food till its all figured out
5. ??
6. profit

You made me laugh out loud. I would definately vote for number 4.

[89c51]

Why not ? Everyone knows that we focused on other areas first because they had the greatest chance of delivering immediate benefits, and now we're working on these.

I got a lot of flak from readers here when I said we were even *working* on UVD and advanced PM, because they understood there would need to be a lot of internal work before we would have anything to show for it and a good chance we would end up having to toss some work and start over a couple of times along the way.

It seems somehow wrong to attack us for spending time on difficult areas that are not likely to show immediate results *and* to attack us for not having results in those areas yet.

If you're just saying "I wish it were easier" I sure wouldn't disagree with that

I know that you focus on getting things to run and basic (2d 3d etc) features and as i said i appreciate very much the fact that you employ these people. Its probably the fact that i had greater expectations. At least for PM.

And the "attack" is not to the people doing the hard work. Its to those people that said no after all the work.

[ChrisXY]

Everyone knows that we focused on other areas first because they had the greatest chance of delivering immediate benefits, and now we're working on these.

But many people don't agree on the immediate benefits. For many people longer battery runtime or even the step from "I can't use my notebook with radeon since it overheats" to "I can now use my notebook with radeon" would be quite the benefit.

[bridgman]

To be totally honest i don't have high expectation (or expectations at all) in any of these two problems the graphics drivers have. I am not impressed by AMD in that field at all ...

Why not ? Everyone knows that we focused on other areas first because they had the greatest chance of delivering immediate benefits, and now we're working on these.

I got a lot of flak from readers here when I said we were even *working* on UVD and advanced PM, because they understood there would need to be a lot of internal work before we would have anything to show for it and a good chance we would end up having to toss some work and start over a couple of times along the way.

It seems somehow wrong to attack us for spending time on difficult areas that are not likely to show immediate results *and* to attack us for not having results in those areas yet.

If you're just saying "I wish it were easier" I sure wouldn't disagree with that

[ArchLinux]

The hell with all of you. These are mostly pretty good points. I dunno how relevant would the update to OpenGL3.2+ be but the rest I'm pretty content with.

It doesn't necessarily mean that you're on a bad mood just because you're bringing up some missing anticipated features in such an important component. Also I wonder who the _hell_ did think that Mesa 9.0 was somehow disappointing up until now. You dumb f*cks.

And no, I'm not in a bad mood myself. Just disappointed in the stupidity that I keep seeing down here. Might even quote that idiot from the other thread:

F*ck you in the biggest way.

[89c51]

Are you saying we should stop working on trying to release PM information because you know it's never going to happen ? If so, can you provide some details so we don't waste any more time ?

Does this apply to UVD as well as power management, or should we keep working on UVD ?

Thanks,
JB

To be totally honest i don't have high expectation (or expectations at all) in any of these two problems the graphics drivers have. I am not impressed by AMD in that field at all while i am graceful for the fact that you pay 4-5 people to get things running.

I know that its not up to you neither tim to decide what gets released and i am not putting the blame on you, him or any of the mesa guys. But the result is what matters.

And of course you can keep working on whatever you like.

[RussianNeuroMancer]

will kubuntu 12.10 get the mesa9 stuff?

Yes, Mesa 9 release is already available in repository.

[moilami]

It isn't mesa-related but I will difinitely add:
STILL NO DECENT RADEON POWER MANAGEMENT

I heard there is still no decent radeon powet management

[gens]

my humble sugestion:

1. gather money(xorg foundation) for looots of cheap cards (too burn)
2. set up a (semi)automated blackbox rig or two
3. get some1 dumb enough to read hexdumps all day
4. lock him/them in a room with the rig's for a month, no proper food till its all figured out
5. ??
6. profit

[bridgman]

Also dave airlie (airlied), who is the kernel graphics maintainer (read: he knows stuff about linux graphics), mentioned that they cannot do anything proper about it until AMD releases the appropriate documentation. Which is not going happen.

Are you saying we should stop working on trying to release PM information because you know it's never going to happen ? If so, can you provide some details so we don't waste any more time ?

Does this apply to UVD as well as power management, or should we keep working on UVD ?

Thanks,
JB