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  • #81
    Originally posted by Weasel View Post
    Why switch? Nvidia drivers work flawlessly for me on Linux with X11.
    Someone is totes not keeping up...

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    Sure, what you have will work for another, oh, I dunno... 3, 4 years? After that you will need to build X.org yourself and make sure it is compatible with your next Nvidia card. Except oh wait, no, you can't. Need source code for that, source code Nvidia refuse to give you.

    Pretty soon a Vulkan driver, which is much easier than an OpenGL driver to write, will be everything you require for proper Wayland support. Zinc is already 95% there.

    So you can spit venom at Wayland all you want. The rest of us have already moved on. You are welcome to join us, or keep sticking to your ever shrinking island. Your problem, your hardware, you figure it out.

    Meanwhile I will go back to enjoying BG3 on Wayland running with FSR on my Radeon GPU and 1440p@144Hz screen.

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    • #82
      Originally posted by Weasel View Post
      Mac in general is a sad joke in everything, including design. It's the furthest thing from a desktop. Unsurprisingly it's losing market share even to Linux on the desktop lol.
      Not sure if serious or just trolling, but anyway:
      This graph shows the market share of desktop operating systems worldwide based on over 5 billion monthly page views.

      And that despite the fact Macs sell as premium products with prices to match.

      I don't know what you are trying to say all this time (your posts are basically zero-information posts), but MacOS has gained significant market share the past 14 years or so (and the gains are even more substantial in key markets such as the US). This should clue everyone that people care about the user experience, not what the Weasels on Phoronix consider a "sad joke" (for reasons they won't reveal).

      Again, I can't tell if you are serious or just trolling.
      Last edited by kurkosdr; 21 September 2023, 07:22 PM.

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      • #83
        Originally posted by wertigon View Post
        Someone is totes not keeping up...

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        Sure, what you have will work for another, oh, I dunno... 3, 4 years? After that you will need to build X.org yourself and make sure it is compatible with your next Nvidia card. Except oh wait, no, you can't. Need source code for that, source code Nvidia refuse to give you.

        Pretty soon a Vulkan driver, which is much easier than an OpenGL driver to write, will be everything you require for proper Wayland support. Zinc is already 95% there.

        So you can spit venom at Wayland all you want. The rest of us have already moved on. You are welcome to join us, or keep sticking to your ever shrinking island. Your problem, your hardware, you figure it out.

        Meanwhile I will go back to enjoying BG3 on Wayland running with FSR on my Radeon GPU and 1440p@144Hz screen.
        Who gives a flying fuck about Fedora? I will never use any Red Hat garbage. That's worse than using Windows.

        You're so cringe it's not even funny.

        I also build Xorg myself btw, but for completely different reasons. Along with a lot of other stuff obviously.

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        • #84
          Originally posted by kurkosdr View Post
          Not sure if serious or just trolling, but anyway:
          This graph shows the market share of desktop operating systems worldwide based on over 5 billion monthly page views.

          And that despite the fact Macs sell as premium products with prices to match.

          I don't know what you are trying to say all this time (your posts are basically zero-information posts), but MacOS has gained significant market share the past 14 years or so (and the gains are even more substantial in key markets such as the US). This should clue everyone that people care about the user experience, not what the Weasels on Phoronix consider a "sad joke" (for reasons they won't reveal).

          Again, I can't tell if you are serious or just trolling.
          Now look on Steam market share, because nobody cares about people who use desktops as phones just to browse the web.

          Mac is also, ironically, considered "good" for artists and yet it can't run StableDiffusion properly. It's so hilarious it's actually comical.

          The most pathetic platform in existence.

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          • #85
            Originally posted by Weasel View Post
            Now look on Steam market share, because nobody cares about people who use desktops as phones just to browse the web.
            PC gaming is a niche. Most people will just buy a lightweight passively-cooled laptop (which btw are awesome, no noise and no need to worry about soft surfaces blocking the vents or about dust buildup) and then will buy a PS5 for their gaming stuff. This arrangement also has the advantage that kernel-level DRM like Denuvo is sealed in its own purpose-built box. Sure, there are people who will buy gaming laptops for the portability factor or build gaming rigs to get the latest and greatest in graphics, but they are a niche and the PS5's sales prove it. So... Windows may have an advantage in that niche, big deal. Also, you conveniently omitted that MacOS has its own successful App Store and most MacOS games are sold there, not from Steam.

            Originally posted by Weasel View Post
            Mac is also, ironically, considered "good" for artists and yet it can't run StableDiffusion properly. It's so hilarious it's actually comical.
            Define "properly". It's getting really tiring to have to run behind your information-free posts. StableDiffusion runs on a Mac btw. Or you are trying to tell me that building StableDiffusion rigs instead of using some online service is not a niche?

            Originally posted by Weasel View Post
            The most pathetic platform in existence.
            I am sure that Tim Cook is busy crying on top of the huge pile of cash that MacOS is generating.

            This is what you people don't understand: It's about the user experience the OS delivers. Regular people value the user experience MacOS delivers and are willing to pay for it, and no amount of whining on forums about how MacOS is "the most pathetic platform in existence" will change that.
            Last edited by kurkosdr; 22 September 2023, 10:18 AM.

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            • #86
              Imagine now there is no Nouveau and all we have is Nvidia drivers. Kmod or nothing. I am grateful for every night coffee marathon for keeping Nouveau running and relevant. Nvidia drivers screw up from time to time and having something to soft land the desktop is priceless.

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              • #87
                Originally posted by Weasel View Post
                Who gives a flying fuck about Fedora? I will never use any Red Hat garbage. That's worse than using Windows.

                You're so cringe it's not even funny.

                I also build Xorg myself btw, but for completely different reasons. Along with a lot of other stuff obviously.
                If it happens in Fedora, chances are very good the rest of the mainstream distros will follow.

                So, if Fedora 40 (coming at the same time as Ubuntu 24.04) will stop shipping an XOrg server, chances are big Ubuntu 26.04 will not ship XOrg as a part of the distribution either. Which means Ubuntu 24.04 is likely the last XOrg release, and Debian 13, and Arch... Sorry, Arch is rolling and is already forgetting about XOrg.

                So, 2030 Debian 13 will go EOL as the last distro running Xorg, what are you going to do then, run LFS?

                As I've said... It's already too late. Join Wayland, or suffer in the cold, your choice. But the sooner you join the better off you will be.

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                • #88
                  Many thanks to Ben for seeing the GSP patches through, before his leave, and in general for steering nouveau through the dark age of missing reclocking firmware. I wish he could still pass down his experience with the hardware to someone new.

                  Maybe NVIDIA can see an opportunity now to step in and assign some developers to directly contribute to nouveau ? I am all for it if NVIDIA wants to hire me for that . I remember they somewhat tried to cooperate with nouveau before, but only to a minimum, like they never wanted to allocate any budget for that. But now with the open-source NVIDIA kernel module, maybe they have bigger plans, like they implied before they could see the NVIDIA open-source module being shared one day with the open source nouveau driver.

                  I hope the GSP patches get merged soon, because waiting for the stable kernel release takes so long. Since noone used them yet, I have to wonder how well the GSP patches work and how well the critical reclocking is going to work. Like, is there a reason the GSP patches are disabled by default for my RTX 2000 and RTX 3000 series cards ? I have to assume far fewer users have an RTX 4000 card, compared to users with RTX 2000 and RTX 3000 cards. So maybe RTX 2000 should be more important...

                  And will the new patches fix the previous error I keep getting with my RTX 3000 card "kernel rejected pushbuf", that shows up whenever I try a 3D application, either with opengl or vulkan ... ?

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                  • #89
                    Originally posted by wertigon View Post
                    If it happens in Fedora, chances are very good the rest of the mainstream distros will follow.
                    Beyond bullshit, so addressing the rest of your post makes no sense.

                    I will address Arch though, since it's rolling release. You realize this just drops it from the installed session? (I mean on the crap Fedora)

                    On Arch you install them manually to begin with.

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                    • #90
                      Originally posted by kurkosdr View Post
                      PC gaming is a niche. Most people will just buy a lightweight passively-cooled laptop (which btw are awesome, no noise and no need to worry about soft surfaces blocking the vents or about dust buildup) and then will buy a PS5 for their gaming stuff.
                      That's not a DESKTOP.

                      Wait, did your "market share" link include laptops?

                      Absolute lost cause. Like there's no point even going on about it.

                      Originally posted by kurkosdr View Post
                      Define "properly". It's getting really tiring to have to run behind your information-free posts. StableDiffusion runs on a Mac btw. Or you are trying to tell me that building StableDiffusion rigs instead of using some online service is not a niche?
                      Yeah runs on the CPU. This thread is about GPUs so...

                      MacOS will only go down from here. I couldn't care less about their bottom line, lol, I'm talking purely by users. Nobody cares if there's an idiot donating Apple 100 billion. Doesn't mean shit about Mac usage.

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