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  • Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
    maybe a campaign from the linux foundation or a call from someone influential (read torvalds) might attract people

    something like an open graphics foundation that will support driver development (and all graphics stack related projects) on all open OSes would be cool but i doubt its viable
    If we can gather several millions of dollars i proposing myself as CEO ;-)

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    • I guess, if all dirstros charged $1 per month or $10 per year and all the money went to dedicated low level linux infrastructure, there would be a lot of money to go around for critical developers.

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      • For several millions of dollars I'm sure glisse would finish the driver stack himself

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        • For that kind of money...

          Originally posted by bridgman View Post
          For several millions of dollars I'm sure glisse would finish the driver stack himself
          I'd expect stringent delivery criteria. With eating/sleeping probably considered optional...

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          • Originally posted by glisse View Post
            read well above 100k$
            It means 1000 peoples willing to donate 100$. I'm pretty sure it's a reasonable target _IF_ some org opens a dedicated donation fund.
            Anyway, even if we reach the 100k$/year target, it means no more than 10 developers. It's a big difference, but I don't think it will be enough to close the gap with the catalyst.

            In a perfect world Amd will drop catalyst to concentrate on the open drivers, but thanks to patents it will remain a dream
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            AMD: X1950XTX, HD3870, HD5870
            Intel: GMA45, HD3000 (Core i5 2500K)

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            • It's not 100 full-time people working on the LINUX part of Catalyst, it's 100 (or more) full-time people working on Catalyst in general, most of which is shared between Windows, Linux, BSD and OSX.

              The Linux support for Catalyst drivers is obviously not the main focus of the AMD driver developers, the vast majority goes into improving Windows performance, and Linux gets these improvements for free.

              It's not very likely that AMD would give up WINDOWS drivers (Catalyst) just so they can put all the people to work on Linux drivers. It's not going to happen.

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              • Originally posted by glisse View Post
                If we can gather several millions of dollars i proposing myself as CEO ;-)

                the only thing we can gather now is cheezburgers and internets

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                • Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
                  It's not 100 full-time people working on the LINUX part of Catalyst, it's 100 (or more) full-time people working on Catalyst in general, most of which is shared between Windows, Linux, BSD and OSX.

                  The Linux support for Catalyst drivers is obviously not the main focus of the AMD driver developers, the vast majority goes into improving Windows performance, and Linux gets these improvements for free.

                  It's not very likely that AMD would give up WINDOWS drivers (Catalyst) just so they can put all the people to work on Linux drivers. It's not going to happen.
                  How many of these 100 drones are working on the Linux part? If just 5 of them are doing so and these drones were moved into free driver development then that would obviously help the free drivers somewhat.

                  I would prefer this since I don't use the non-free Catalyst, but I do see why the AMD shareholders could prefer that these drones continiue to work on the evil binary blob driver.

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                  • Well, I'd prefer that too, but AMD is after the professional workstation market, and as long as Mesa, drm, Gallium, and the related infrastructure can't provide OpenGL4 and similar stuff, I don't expect AMD to drop Catalyst for Linux.

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                    • I know the obvious response at this point will be "but if you moved the Catalyst for Linux developers to the open source driver then you could have GL4 etc...", but that's not how it works. We develop the Catalyst driver code and share it across 100% of the PC market (ie all OSes), but if we moved the devs who make that common code available on Linux to working on the open source driver then they would not be able to leverage the work done for all of the other OSes, ie they would be working on a Linux-specific code base, and the same number of developers would *not* be able to deliver the same level of features and performance.

                      Put simply, open source drivers share code across HW vendors (ie the intel, radeon and nouveau driver stacks share a lot of common code, which is why they have similar features) while proprietary drivers share code across OSes.

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