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Originally posted by Svartalf View PostIn a word, NO. glxgears is so far removed from a benchmark it's tragic. I believe the people associated with 3D drivers on Linux have been saying that it wasn't a very good benchmark for performance since I kind of quit maintaining the Utah-GLX source tree years ago.
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Originally posted by bridgman View PostI guess I'll be the first to suggest you at least think about upgrading to PCIE if your power supply has enough 12v output (older systems needed lots of +5V, newer systems need lots of +12V). You could start with something like a 780-based mobo and still have higher performance than your 9600, although not a *lot* faster.
But now you say that it also leis on the fact that I am not using PCIE?
Must I conclude now that what you actually are saying that the AGP bus speed is insufficient?
Elaborate please.
Regards,
E.
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Originally posted by Mr_Ed View PostBridgeman, this confuses me. I thought the issue here was my slow and old videocard and the lack of ATI's driver support for it.
But now you say that it also leis on the fact that I am not using PCIE?
Must I conclude now that what you actually are saying that the AGP bus speed is insufficient?.
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Originally posted by Mr_Ed View PostBridgeman, this confuses me. I thought the issue here was my slow and old videocard and the lack of ATI's driver support for it.
But now you say that it also leis on the fact that I am not using PCIE?
Must I conclude now that what you actually are saying that the AGP bus speed is insufficient?
Elaborate please.
Regards,
E.
But as I already outlined, you are going to pay as much for an AGP card that IS supported, if not more, than it would cost to upgrade major components of your system to something that has greater performance with lower heat output.
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Yeah, AGP is just a general problem area, more in terms of reliability than speed (although they are related). Some systems are rock solid, others not so much. I think the main problems is that the signal margins in the spec are too small to handle the noise levels found on a typical motherboard, so depending on which components you mix & match you can get hangs which the driver can't always recover from. Slowing down the bus speed often helps but not always.
The PCIE bus is a lot more reliable, and the specs are tight enough that you can mix & match components without worrying how well they will work together.
That said, there is so much good work happening with the open source drivers right now that I expect you could continue using the current card for quite a while longer if you wanted. It sounds like AGP is not causing you any trouble right now; we're really just saying that if you *are* going to upgrade there are better ways to spend the money than a new AGP card.Last edited by bridgman; 07 March 2009, 09:10 AM.Test signature
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Originally posted by bridgman View PostYeah, AGP is just a general problem area, more in terms of reliability than speed (although they are related). Some systems are rock solid, others not so much. I think the main problems is that the signal margins in the spec are too small to handle the noise levels found on a typical motherboard, so depending on which components you mix & match you can get hangs which the driver can't always recover from. Slowing down the bus speed often helps but not always.
The PCIE bus is a lot more reliable, and the specs are tight enough that you can mix & match components without worrying how well they will work together.
That said, there is so much good work happening with the open source drivers right now that I expect you could continue using the current card for quite a while longer if you wanted. It sounds like AGP is not causing you any trouble right now; we're really just saying that if you *are* going to upgrade there are better ways to spend the money than a new AGP card.
Google-Earth doesnt work with the open source driver.
When DPMS mode is enabled and the screen goes to sleep it will not wake up from it anymore.
Pretty much everything else I do with this driver is at least 50% slower then with the fglrx driver.
i.e. Watching a video on discovery it hicks like hell.
And it is by far not as stable as the fglrx driver.
Sorry for my whining about it.
Oh, and you all say that it is much cheaper buying a pci mobo but you all forget the new cpu and power-supply that I will be forced to buy too. From what I read about it, PCI cards need a lot more power. I am defenitely not going to stick my old P4 CPU on a brand new mobo, that's for sure. If I would have to buy a new mobo I'd probably would go for at least a dual core or maybe a quad core cpu.
I.o.w. I think I'd be better off buying a whole new pc.
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Originally posted by Mr_Ed View PostOh, and you all say that it is much cheaper buying a pci mobo but you all forget the new cpu and power-supply that I will be forced to buy too. From what I read about it, PCI cards need a lot more power. I am defenitely not going to stick my old P4 CPU on a brand new mobo, that's for sure. If I would have to buy a new mobo I'd probably would go for at least a dual core or maybe a quad core cpu.
I.o.w. I think I'd be better off buying a whole new pc.
I don't think PCIE cards draw more power (a bit less if anything), it's that over the years systems have shifted from using lots of 5V power to using lots of 12V power, so depending on the age of your PC you *might* need to upgrade the P/S (that was the qualifier in my initial post).Test signature
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I feel like I need to repeat something here for everyone.
We are not going to be driving to your house and taking away the fglrx driver you already have, and we are not saying that the open source driver is equal to fglrx in the 3D area for the 3xx-5xx chips (although most other parts of the driver area equal or better for typical consumer usage).
What we *are* saying is that IN THE FUTURE (ie starting a couple of months from now) we think that the open source drivers will be a good solution. If we spent the efforts on supporting legacy fglrx updates rather than open source development the first "quarterly update" would be five or six months from now, and by that time if you could choose between fglrx and the open drivers I think nearly all of you would pick the open drivers.Test signature
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