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  • #61
    Originally posted by bug77 View Post
    PS You French guys still need your ISP to give you a media box? Then again, I think you just recently put minitel to rest.
    It's not necessary to have it but it's quite a cool device that you can also use to read dvd/blu-ray, schedule and save TV recordings, watch VOD, be a chromecast/dlna/airplay sink, view music/photos from a shared local network hard drive, browse the internet, applications like twitch/youtube etc... Not everybody has a SmartTV here and they wouldn't do as much anyways and anyways it's included in the subscription price so why not :P.

    Originally posted by bkor View Post
    Thanks for sharing! Never saw that before and really helpful. That presentation was published in 2013, but seems it was held in 2011, is that really correct? Do you know of anything newer? I'm wondering if by now they're using Qt 5. Some feedback from customers would be nice as well. Most smart tvs have a super slow UI, so wonder how this works. Various bits in the presentation indicate that the UI should be really responsive.
    Yeah the box was released in 2011 and its firmware is regularly updated. It uses Qt 5.5 and Wayland 1.9.0 now. I have one so I can say it's smooth and perfectly usable and most of people I know who owns it are happy about it, especially considering how bad the alternatives from the other ISPs are.

    You can see a demo of it here : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wft1V45KWDs It's a bit outdated though.
    Here's a picture showing the Wayland bit : http://i.imgur.com/SOVOoM1.jpg

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    • #62
      Originally posted by bug77 View Post

      Yeah, because without intel or RedHat or AMD or Nvidia, open source would be in such a rosy place today...



      Well, that's one box running customized software. But yes, I guess that qualifies as "in production".

      PS You French guys still need your ISP to give you a media box? Then again, I think you just recently put minitel to rest.

      Wayland is used on millions of LG TVs.
      https://twitter.com/hoegsberg/status/676106872865218560

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      • #63
        Originally posted by blackout23 View Post


        Wayland is used on millions of LG TVs.
        https://twitter.com/hoegsberg/status/676106872865218560
        That's not an association Wayland should be proud of: http://arstechnica.com/security/2013...-blogger-says/

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        • #64
          Wayland is also used in Tizen for awhile now. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tizen
          Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety,deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
          Ben Franklin 1755

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          • #65
            Originally posted by microcode View Post
            The problem is that to get any support for NVIDIA's driver, they would need to implement two codepaths. Weston, and all of the other compositors, already have the GBM codepaths, to make use of NVIDIA's driver they would need to write and maintain both. On top of that NVIDIA seems to be the only vendor who is suggesting this approach. I seriously hope they have a good reason for it. I don't think NVIDIA folks have said specifically why they want information that is available at commit time but not until after allocation; then again, I'm perhaps not qualified to say that there aren't good reasons for it. Just from a glance I'm not seeing hard facts.
            Of course they have good reason for suggesting it: they've looked at everything on their technical merits and made a choice they feel is best. Other people disagree, but that doesn't mean that they're terrible people, or that NVIDIA are only pushing this for ulterior motives and people resisting are freedom fighters, or that NVIDIA are pushing it because they're heroes of graphics and people resisting hate and resent their superiority. They have a technical opinion, others have theirs, end of.

            (And yes, part of the resistance is that introducing additional codepaths increases the complexity and the cost of making change. Having the stop-gap RPi renderer in Weston makes changing that interface much more difficult, since it's liable to break something which isn't particularly well tested by the developers. Even despite all the caution, we do break it from time to time. And the only thing worse than software which doesn't support something, is broken software ...)

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            • #66
              Originally posted by bug77 View Post
              That's not an association Wayland should be proud of: http://arstechnica.com/security/2013...-blogger-says/
              so we have at least tizen, sailfish, webos, fedora and automotive linux are using wayland in production and you are countering it with something which has nothing to do with wayland at all?

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              • #67
                Originally posted by bug77 View Post

                That's not an association Wayland should be proud of: http://arstechnica.com/security/2013...-blogger-says/
                But it proves the point.
                Also, your response is an argumentative fallacy (guilt by association).

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by liam View Post

                  But it proves the point.
                  Also, your response is an argumentative fallacy (guilt by association).
                  Yeah, yeah, I get it. Wayland is the greatest thing since sliced bread, but Nvidia is holding it back. Excuse me for not following Wayland closely enough to know it made its way into embedded stuff.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by bug77 View Post
                    Wayland is the greatest thing since sliced bread, but Nvidia is holding it back.
                    nvidia isn't holding wayland back. nvidia just has no linux driver, no more, no less.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by pal666 View Post
                      nvidia isn't holding wayland back. nvidia just has no linux driver, no more, no less.
                      Really? So waht would you call this: http://www.geforce.com/drivers/results/101423

                      They may have no driver that you like, but making statements like the above only makes you sound like a zealot.

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