NVIDIA Will Support Newly-Dropped GPUs On Linux Through 2019

[pandev92]

Finally some stuff for me:

I am not a fanboy.


The article is distorting the reality, meaning it suggests a suggests a critical way of thinking towards AMDs Linux support. Since leaving some facts out, I don't consider it being 100% accurate. Btw the author even suggests that it's just a Linux problem:

I have marked the striking words in bold red for you're convenience. (bold didn't seem to be enough)



My basic argument is said AMD sucks. In terms of long term support.
(On a side note: I was raging when AMD annouced to drop my beloved HD 4770 and I was mainly bothered about Windows, since it's my OS of choice for playing games. Also there an outstanding bug on Windows, that those faggots are unwilling to fix. On Linux I use the Open Source driver.)

I am not saying the Author has done this out of purpose, but it maybe a simple lack of knowledge.


I am sorry to disappoint you, but this is a general Linux problem. AMD is not to blame here.


EDIT: Ah thanks @Ericg, I see you were faster than me

Nope, is amd problem, because nvidia continue to support the latest kernel and xorgs with their blob driver. FANBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOY SONIC BOOOOOOOOM

[Ardje]

I must admit that now I was forced to use just the opensource radeon drivers for my HD4890 (I actually had 2 cards, but there was no game that could max out a single card, and the airflow was terrible), I actually begin to like it.
There are more games on steam that work properly on the opensource drivers while not working with the catalyst driver, than there are games that work better with the closed source drivers than with the open source drivers on this card.

[blackout23]

Just open source catalyst and deprecate the blob. No one is buying the "OpenGL secret scauce" argument against open sourcing anyway. It's cool that they want to reduce duplicate work by having just one kernel driver, but why stop there? That would make NVIDIA look like the only major GPU vendor that doesn't do things the Linux-way. Still the Linux support NVIDIA offers is outstanding, which kind of makes you forgive them not having open drivers.

[Ericg]

Left to "just" the open source drivers ? I can't believe you typed that with a straight face.

Everyone wanted open source drivers instead of Catalyst and now we're complaining that we have to use the open source drivers ?

"Just" the open source drivers ? Sorry, I still can't believe you said that.

*bridgman bangs head on desk

*Gives Bridgman a cookie* You know how Michael is, he's never 100% happy. Once upon a time, yes, he could say "Just the open source driver" but these days? Its in great shape.

[oleid]

I doubt their claims. It is unlikely that X server would survive till 2019. I don't think they will port legacy driver to Wayland. So they "might" support new X releases till 2019 but with the last X server version from e.g. 2017...

Good point. X will probably survive even longer, and pre-fermi users will just have X11 and no proper 3D driver for Wayland or Mir. But the poor radeon users which just have the OSS driver have the liberty to choose. Cruel world, what irony

[stikonas]

I doubt their claims. It is unlikely that X server would survive till 2019. I don't think they will port legacy driver to Wayland. So they "might" support new X releases till 2019 but with the last X server version from e.g. 2017...

[Veerappan]

Left to "just" the open source drivers ? I can't believe you typed that with a straight face.

Everyone wanted open source drivers instead of Catalyst and now we're complaining that we have to use the open source drivers ?

"Just" the open source drivers ? Sorry, I still can't believe you said that.

*bridgman bangs head on desk

Yeah, I'm going to have to join you in the head+desk department. The r600g driver for the radeon 4xxx series is plenty sufficient, and I can't see many reasons why you'd want to use Catalyst over that unless you need one of the few OpenGL features/extensions that aren't implemented in r600g for those cards (or the minor performance difference actually matters for your use case). The only downside to radeon OSS drivers that could affect me is that UVD 1.x isn't supported for the 780/785/880g IGPs, and all of my systems that have those chips either are servers or also have a discrete radeon (well, the 880g laptop died a while ago, which is the only one that wouldn't have taken a discrete card).

[DanL]

Left to "just" the open source drivers ? I can't believe you typed that with a straight face. Everyone wanted open source drivers instead of Catalyst and now we're complaining that we have to use the open source drivers ?

I also complained about that wording a few posts back, but I don't really think Michael meant it like that. He's simply saying that users don't have a choice between the two drivers. This is equivalent to Intel, which only offers an open-source Linux driver (where 3D performance tends to lag a bit behind the Windows driver). One could argue that it's not as good as Nvidia, but in my experience with nouveau on an 8400GS, nouveau is not ready for daily usage when factoring in 3D/games (though it works surprisingly well with VDPAU and basic desktop usage).

[Nuc!eoN]

Finally some stuff for me:

Yeah.. the fanboy is strong in you.

I am not a fanboy.

Larabel loves to overhype and distort things, but this article is 100% accurate.

The article is distorting the reality, meaning it suggests a suggests a critical way of thinking towards AMDs Linux support. Since leaving some facts out, I don't consider it being 100% accurate. Btw the author even suggests that it's just a Linux problem:

while AMD doesn't maintain their Linux legacy drivers and barely do release notes all in the name of trying to reduce engineering costs.

I have marked the striking words in bold red for you're convenience. (bold didn't seem to be enough)

Your basic argument is that AMD loves Linux and is awesome because it abandons support for its own products early on Linux AND on Windows and that Larabel is evil because... on a website that is devoted to Linux... he doesn't go out of his way to point out that AMD also does a crappy job under Windows.

My basic argument is said AMD sucks. In terms of long term support.
(On a side note: I was raging when AMD annouced to drop my beloved HD 4770 and I was mainly bothered about Windows, since it's my OS of choice for playing games. Also there an outstanding bug on Windows, that those faggots are unwilling to fix. On Linux I use the Open Source driver.)

I am not saying the Author has done this out of purpose, but it maybe a simple lack of knowledge.

And doesn't require downgrade of key system components!

I am sorry to disappoint you, but this is a general Linux problem. AMD is not to blame here.


EDIT: Ah thanks @Ericg, I see you were faster than me

[bridgman]

The Radeon HD 4000 series graphics hardware that was introduced in 2008 is no longer receiving updates with the AMD Catalyst Legacy driver but is left to just the open-source Linux Radeon driver.

Left to "just" the open source drivers ? I can't believe you typed that with a straight face.

Everyone wanted open source drivers instead of Catalyst and now we're complaining that we have to use the open source drivers ?

"Just" the open source drivers ? Sorry, I still can't believe you said that.

*bridgman bangs head on desk