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Originally posted by boot View PostI agree, still the worst part about steam is the 3rd party drm, that really sucks.
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I agree, still the worst part about steam is the 3rd party drm, that really sucks.
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Originally posted by curaga View PostAnd this is entirely within their EULA, so you can't even complain or sue.
It basically comes down to a tradeoff:
I like cloud saves, being able to redownload games whenever I want, no hassle installation, automatic updates, and the slew of other features steam gives you.
In return, I'm more than happy to buy games on steam, even the ones that use steams light form of DRM.
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It won't be just about games, didn't you hear, they're adding general software to Steam. How would you like that 1500$ Photoshop not working because Valve decides so?
Only those choices are worse that steam for the vast majority of games. Basically beyond what, the witcher 2, which big games of the last year or 2 have no DRM?
For the few decent ones (personally, I liked Dead Space), you can choose to play on a console that's not connected to the net. At least _yet_ they're not requiring consoles to be connected.
Or, one can choose to support indies like you said (Humble Bundles etc).
I already told you, feel free to go without, the problem you have is you'd like me to go without, and I honestly couldn't give a flying banana what you think on that issue.
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Originally posted by curaga View PostI'm not sure how I should feel about you only focusing on what the users would do (cheat, chargeback) and completely ignore the power Valve has over you. They don't have to go under, they only have to dislike you, and with one click *tada* you have nothing you bought from them anymore working.
Originally posted by curaga View PostAnd this is entirely within their EULA, so you can't even complain or sue.
Originally posted by curaga View PostTo voluntarily allow anybody such power, and to continue to be under it, is about the definition of foolishness.
Originally posted by curaga View PostTalking about EA or Sony or the quality of games nowadays would be (even more) offtopic. But suffice it to say there are always choices.Last edited by ownagefool; 23 August 2012, 12:05 PM.
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I'm not sure how I should feel about you only focusing on what the users would do (cheat, chargeback) and completely ignore the power Valve has over you. They don't have to go under, they only have to dislike you, and with one click *tada* you have nothing you bought from them anymore working.
And this is entirely within their EULA, so you can't even complain or sue.
To voluntarily allow anybody such power, and to continue to be under it, is about the definition of foolishness.
Talking about EA or Sony or the quality of games nowadays would be (even more) offtopic. But suffice it to say there are always choices.
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Originally posted by curaga View Post"It doesn't kill your firstborn, only rapes your secondborn, so it's therefore entirely acceptable just because it's less evil than competitors"
For the record though, you don't get a banned account for cheating, only banned from that anticheat, really. Where theres a more apt problem is your account may be limited if you perform a charge back. However, charge backs aren't really ment for those who buy games, play them, and charge back. If you're not doing something extremely cheeky like this, you shouldn't really run into any real problems.
Now if valve goes bankrupt, or gets sold you have a problem. Being in Europe, I own my games, and I'll be totally justified in downloading them all and cracking them. However, it still is an issue, and is one of the reasons I tend not to pay full price for games. On the other hand, most big games are doing the online DRM thing and I believe EA has a habit of shutting down multiplay servers when they release a new version, so its more of a "i quit gaming" problem than a "I wont use valve" unless you prefer to stick with only humble bundles.
Either way, I personally feels valve is basically the only (or first, at least) DRM which justified itself in the market, and I'm happy with the sales / unlimited downloads trade off it offers. Nobody is forcing you to buy the games.
Edit: By the way, valve doesn't force you to use DRM (other than to download your game client). Many of the games work directly by launching the .exe, only some require steam verification to run. The reasons games use valve DRM is because the publisher / dev wants to use it, otherwise they don't need to. I'm more than happy with this DRM when you compare it to 3 x limited installs, rootkits, or always on drm competitors offer.Last edited by ownagefool; 23 August 2012, 09:02 AM.
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Originally posted by curaga View Post"It doesn't kill your firstborn, only rapes your secondborn, so it's therefore entirely acceptable just because it's less evil than competitors"
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Originally posted by yogi_berra View PostSo. Just don't cheat in multiplayer or set up multiple Steam accounts to mine achievements during their Christmas sales. As far as DRM goes Steam is far less intrusive (and far more convenient as a store) than anything else.
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