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  • #11
    Originally posted by herman View Post
    Linux is not there yet for gaming. It still requires fiddling and third party apps to get it to run just right. Most gamers just want to turn on the game and play, which is why consoles are so popular even though PCs can do so much more, but I digress.

    I used to want Linux to become dominant and take over. Now I'm happy it hasn't. Marketshare brings a lot of headaches: more viruses, more hacking attempts, and more shady companies with sketchy licensing. It's nice to have an OS that just works and most people don't seem to notice. I worry that won't last much longer.
    Yes virus free Linux times are over! I was hit by a UEFI trojan two years ago. But probably my fault as I was opening email attachments after 20 troubles free Linux years... Lots of malware seems to swap in from Android.

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    • #12
      Originally posted by herman View Post
      I used to want Linux to become dominant and take over. Now I'm happy it hasn't. Marketshare brings a lot of headaches: more viruses, more hacking attempts, and more shady companies with sketchy licensing. It's nice to have an OS that just works and most people don't seem to notice. I worry that won't last much longer.
      Marketshare is a balancing act. On one hand a certain amount of marketshare is needed in order to attract hardware vendors into providing drivers for Linux. The pathetic state of Nouveau and 802.11ac/ax USB wifi adapter compatibility will definitely be much better if desktop Linux occupied at least a 5 - 10% share of the desktop OS pie.

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      • #13
        They've already fixed it to say it was a 0.02% drop FYI.

        Historical look: https://www.gamingonlinux.com/steam-tracker/

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        • #14
          Originally posted by mike456 View Post

          Yes virus free Linux times are over! I was hit by a UEFI trojan two years ago. But probably my fault as I was opening email attachments after 20 troubles free Linux years... Lots of malware seems to swap in from Android.
          Sounds absolutely nasty. I've learned to be more careful in recent years with viruses but every so often my judgement lapses as well. It's easy to forget that the next link may be the last one you click before needing to wipe everything.

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          • #15
            Originally posted by Sonadow View Post

            Marketshare is a balancing act. On one hand a certain amount of marketshare is needed in order to attract hardware vendors into providing drivers for Linux. The pathetic state of Nouveau and 802.11ac/ax USB wifi adapter compatibility will definitely be much better if desktop Linux occupied at least a 5 - 10% share of the desktop OS pie.
            You're right about that. Wifi and Nouveau are two things I'd love to see improved.

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            • #16
              You can always tell the people that don't use Linux. They always complain about how you can't play games and how nothing that's plugged in works. Not very good trolling.

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              • #17
                Just today, I got the survey dialog again, after not getting it for 3 months straight (presumably because I didn't play a lot of games on Steam).

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                • #18
                  There is a slow increase in time when you graph out the Linux market share. It’ll take some time but if we reached 2% that’s when things are possibly significant enough for developers to take more notice.

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by herman View Post
                    Linux is not there yet for gaming. It still requires fiddling and third party apps to get it to run just right. Most gamers just want to turn on the game and play, which is why consoles are so popular even though PCs can do so much more, but I digress.

                    I used to want Linux to become dominant and take over. Now I'm happy it hasn't. Marketshare brings a lot of headaches: more viruses, more hacking attempts, and more shady companies with sketchy licensing. It's nice to have an OS that just works and most people don't seem to notice. I worry that won't last much longer.
                    Linux is actually pretty much there for gaming already, you can count on roughly 70% of titles to work without any hassle, some at worst with maybe a minor hassle (such as a launch option) with maybe another 10-20% that will work but with a bit more hassle.

                    There are cases where gaming on proton is faster than native windows too.

                    The problem on linux isn't gaming, not anymore at least. The problem is that gaming is just about the only thing that works on the damned thing. Major production software doesn't work. Multi monitor support is 100% in the gutter no matter what you do (unless you only use screens with an identical resolution and refresh rate that is) printer support is still just plain sad....

                    Browsing, gaming and media playback. Those are the only things linux works for. I suppose office work too if you're ok with libreoffice; but that's really it, at least from a desktop user perspective, of course there's a lot of sexy for it for server applications... But yeah. I mean I suppose it does work (if barely) as a general purpose OS, I mean the most common things people do will work (except maybe the freakin printers) but any sort of actual work, pretty much can't get done on linux. Hell, even programmers tend to strongly prefer visual studio over any IDE available on linux.

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by rabcor View Post
                      Linux is actually pretty much there for gaming already, you can count on roughly 70% of titles to work without any hassle, some at worst with maybe a minor hassle (such as a launch option) with maybe another 10-20% that will work but with a bit more hassle.
                      Needing to install compatible 32bit libraries is not a bit of hassle. It's a major pain for people who want to maintain a pure x64 installation without a crapload of extra packages being shit all over the system. Especially for people who run self-built versions of libdrm, libglvnd and Mesa.

                      Originally posted by rabcor View Post
                      Major production software doesn't work. Multi monitor support is 100% in the gutter no matter what you do (unless you only use screens with an identical resolution and refresh rate that is) printer support is still just plain sad....

                      Browsing, gaming and media playback. Those are the only things linux works for. I suppose office work too if you're ok with libreoffice; but that's really it, at least from a desktop user perspective, of course there's a lot of sexy for it for server applications... But yeah. I mean I suppose it does work (if barely) as a general purpose OS, I mean the most common things people do will work (except maybe the freakin printers) but any sort of actual work, pretty much can't get done on linux. Hell, even programmers tend to strongly prefer visual studio over any IDE available on linux.
                      I've been saying this for all of 12 years that I have been using desktop Linux and yet everybody thinks I'm just shilling for Microsoft. And media playback does not even work unless the distribution bundles the mp3 libraries and a functional version of ffmpeg compiled with support for proprietary codecs.

                      The bolded point has been a huge peeve for me in Debian 10's versions of Plasma Wayland. I have a laptop with a 4K display and have set Plasma Wayland to use a scaling factor of 1x. And yet, when the laptop is connected to a second displat, Plasma thinks that it should automatically scale my 4K display to a factor of 2x without my input causing the entire desktop to look odd. And setting it back to 1x causes Plasma to go apeshit because it still recognizes window buttons and contents in their original 2x scale position instead of at 1x.
                      Last edited by Sonadow; 08-02-2020, 10:07 AM.

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