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Originally posted by bug77 View Post
Agreed, Java is going to be relevant for quite a while (with the unexpected boon of IoT being such a good match). This was all about JavaEE though.
"Well Sparc was dying so that made sense, they switched to Linux fo rate most part so Solaris is just baggage, Star Office is likely better off in the hands of the open source community and frankly Java stinks."
"Maybe Oracles approach isn't perfect but they could just as easily have dropped Java, gave the custormers a year or tow to adjust, washed their hands afterwards. It is actually a bit shocking to see them (Oracle) taking this approach rather than to let the technology completely die."
"Java can and should go the way of languages like BASIC, COBOL and a whole host of others that are most memories these days."
So he (or she) didn't seem to be discussing Java EE, but Java in general and declaring it dying or dead. It may be hated, but it's still wildly popular.
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Originally posted by Michael_S View Post
caligula was agreeing with me, and I was replying to comments by wizard69 like:
"Well Sparc was dying so that made sense, they switched to Linux fo rate most part so Solaris is just baggage, Star Office is likely better off in the hands of the open source community and frankly Java stinks."
"Maybe Oracles approach isn't perfect but they could just as easily have dropped Java, gave the custormers a year or tow to adjust, washed their hands afterwards. It is actually a bit shocking to see them (Oracle) taking this approach rather than to let the technology completely die."
"Java can and should go the way of languages like BASIC, COBOL and a whole host of others that are most memories these days."
So he (or she) didn't seem to be discussing Java EE, but Java in general and declaring it dying or dead. It may be hated, but it's still wildly popular.
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Originally posted by geearf View PostOh interesting, I had no idea the others took over. Is it because of Oracle?
But I think it's also reflecting a change in the market. MySQL was long popular for stuff like CMS backends, because it was relatively fast and light and easy to set up - but there's been more of a drift there to more document-oriented no-SQL databases. And for the use-cases which still favour traditional SQL relational databases, PostgreSQL has taken over a larger share of that market - it was always the more sophisticated of the two, but these days it's good enough to compete with Oracle for the low-end of the enterprise space (Oracle continues to rule the high-end, of course).
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Originally posted by wizard69 View PostWell Sparc was dying so that made sense, they switched to Linux fo rate most part so Solaris is just baggage, Star Office is likely better off in the hands of the open source community and frankly Java stinks. So maybe Oracle isn't evil but rather just smart about business.
I really think you have need of an attitude adjustment. After years of the open source world crying about the evils of MS and Oracle we actually are seeing the companies contribute to the open source world. Maybe Oracles approach isn't perfect but they could just as easily have dropped Java, gave the custormers a year or tow to adjust, washed their hands afterwards. It is actually a bit shocking to see them (Oracle) taking this approach rather than to let the technology completely die.
As for Oracle, they make their money on selling their closed source peripheral products, not Java or JavaEE themselves. All that matters to them is that Java and JavaEE continue development as that would kill interest in their peripheral products and by offloading the development of those products to the open source community they've ensured just that. It's a very smart business move when you think about it, but I sincerely hope that the open source community doesn't take over development and Oracle has to continue putting in the same amount of investment as before to maintain interest in their peripheral products.
The real concern here isn't so much what is happening with Java, but rather Oracles direction in the future. Is Java dead there and do they have intentions to adopt new tech, RUST, Swift, Go or something else. Or maybe it isn't dead and they just realize that the platform is mature enough for a standards organization to Shepard from now on.
The negativity here just doesn't make sense.Last edited by L_A_G; 21 August 2017, 06:17 AM.
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