Systemd 216 Piles On More Features, Aims For New User-Space VT

[Truth]

Daily reminder that all those against systemd are Micro$oft shills that worship at the altar of Winblows and have never used a single piece of FOSS in their life.

[smitty3268]

You can deny it all you want but if a distro uses systemd it's de-facto under RH control. It's that simple.

Yeah, I'm going to deny it.

[ssokolow]

What I'd like to see is being able to still switch to a VT if the PC locks up. Often the PC still response to commands if you have a SSH session open, but nouveau noped out. Linux should have a better way to recover from that.

I'm not sure how Nouveau is handling it these days but, with the non-KMS binary drivers, it's not the VT that's the problem at all. (Because VT and X11 do their own modesetting without KMS, the GPU gets reset every time you switch away from or back to it.)

...and things still get locked up because, when the video drivers hang, it hangs X11 and X11 has taken over responsibility for handling the Ctrl+Alt+F# keybinds.

If there's a solution for that, you're better off looking to Wayland to usher it in. (In the mean time, you can use the Magic SysRq key functionality to force the Linux kernel to retake responsibility for handling Ctrl+Alt+F# keybinds when something goes wrong.)

[ssokolow]

Well, some comments over the past 3 months have me fooled then. Scope creep can sometimes be a good thing, though. Linux started out as a terminal emulator... A "systemd 2xx added maild" article wouldn't surprise me.

Given how having some MTA is so essential to so many programs (eg. cron), even if it's just ssmtp, that wouldn't surprise me either.

[ssokolow]

systemd only supports glibc as libc and it uses quite a few other GNU libraries so never. systemd/GNU/Linux kinda makes sense at this point though.

Not necesarily never. musl libc is working toward having an "LSB-compatible ABI".

[erendorn]

bsd gives freedom to programmers to steal code. you are clearly not user but stealer.

How can you steal something that's been given to you??

[dunovan]

thx balle

[interested]

*The deal is done people. For all the teeth gnashing and sniping in forums, there have been zero efforts to start a viable, alternative project that can compete with systemd. SysV init is EOL. Distro's are not going to halt progress, just because vocal people on the internet are glorifying an outdated, limited and ill fitting init system. Before a smart ass comments that SysV fits just right, then why are all distro's switching away from SysV? No, alien mind control is not an acceptable answer, nor is coercion (or black magic) from Lennart Poettering.

Yes, it turned out that the systemd-opponents was just a tiny but vocal minority, and judging from the systemd detractors here on Phoronix, most of them are actually *BSD users. There seem to be some hidden agenda among certain BSD users, that it is good for BSD if they trash-talk systemd. Rather unsavoury behaviour in my opinion, that badly reflects back on the BSD projects.

[silix]

wrong again. you just misinterpret who gets this promise of freedom. (l)gpl gives freedom to users to have source. bsd gives freedom to programmers to steal code. you are clearly not user but stealer.

and you forget the obvious - that the choice of license being free, it's the author who deliberately gives his code away for anyone else to take, not other people stealing ..

now, for a freedom fanatic that someone may make a gift (to people that dont deserve it) of his precious code must unconceivable, isnt it?
but this one way sharing is understandable if you consider that it stems from an academic mentality and background, with results of academic research made available to anyone without distinctions (individuals AND companies alike) - since research is already been paid for (if not actually funded by privates and corporations)
otoh, bsd code more often than not, strived for referentiality (being the one reference implementation of a given algorithm or solution to a given problem) - it was precisely intended for being integrated into commercial products - to avoid wheel reinvention for that aspect, and to gain world class status...

in the end a gpl licensed mix and match system won out users (with that flexibility -or inelegance, depending on the pov- was a major factor), but doesnt detract from bsd code's ideals objectives and scope being quite diiferent..

[caligula]

if you consider that it stems from an academic mentality and background, with results of academic research made available to anyone without distinctions (individuals AND companies alike) - since research is already been paid for (if not actually funded by privates and corporations)

Actually academic work is nowadays protected by patents and behind a paywall even though the public already paid for it via taxes and donations. Many academic papers are closed source mentality. The proceedings are horribly expensive and single articles can cost like $10.