Linux 4.20-rc1 Kernel Released As The Kernel Hits Its Highest Point For 2018

[Nocifer]

"People's Front"?? Could not find less Commie name?
Name the next one "Arbeit macht frei", then all major progressive murder-ideologies are nicely represented..

Oh God please no, not this SJW=Hitler crap again.

Upset? Annoyed is probably the better expression seeing how communism is (thankfully) dead and buried since decades ago.

"Thankfully"? Sorry to wake you up, friend, but communism is a GOOD thing. Unless you're one of the aforementioned 1%, or one of their lackeys (willingly or not).

The complete quote would have made it way clearer and wouldn't have looked like the name for some communist block paramilitary anti-democracy death squad.

So in other words, you're saying that you instinctively associate the word "people" with "paramilitary anti-democracy death squads"? Hmm. Very interesting. Say, have you ever heard of a little word called "nation"? Of something called "nationalism"? I think you'll find that 9 out of 10 of those "paramilitary anti-democracy death squads" you so abhor, not only adhere to that "-ism" rather than communism as you claim, but are also self-declared anticommunists - just like yourself. But then again, these kinds of paramilitary nationalistic blockhead are hailed as "patriots" in your country, so your apparent tunnel vision is not really that surprising. A camel can't see its own hump, after all.

The "Russian troll" meme may be cliché as hell, but that totally reads like something straight out of that St. Petersburg "troll factory". Criticize russia or the soviet union and you get a huge rambling on about how evil america is despite not even being american and what imperialists they are when the russians were the biggest imperialists of the 20th century by a country mile. There's a reason why almost the whole of the old soviet block has looked to the wester after being liberated from their russian-backed oppressors.

For starters: Communism != Soviet Union

You really ought to go read some History books and educate yourself. Key words being "read" and "books". Especially the latter.

OK, so now we are starting those mentioned 4/20 jokes? (Adolf's birthday)

Damn. I miss the good old days, when the 4/20 meme meant "let's smoke a joint" and not SJW, snowflakes, Trump, alt-right and all this new-age sh*t...

[adelpozoman]

I prefer not moving the first number, cause it will get big after some time, and (IMO) we dont want to use kernel 23.19

[L_A_G]

Oh God please no, not this SJW=Hitler crap again.

Considering how fascism had it's origins in the far left of the early 1900s and the far left has similarly hostile attitudes towards dissenters it's not a completely unfair comparison to make.

"Thankfully"? Sorry to wake you up, friend, but communism is a GOOD thing. Unless you're one of the aforementioned 1%, or one of their lackeys (willingly or not).

It's kind of funny how Orwell pretty much destroyed that misconception of communism in Animal Farm decades before most of us were born, but you still see people who don't realize that all the communists did was replace the old aristocrat and factory owner elites with the communist party elites while the people continued to live in poverty.

You keep going on about how russian communism wasn't representative of communism in general, but history is littered with brutal communist dictators like Mao, Hoxha, Ceausescu, Pol Pot and Honecker. If anyone needs to crack open a history book it's you and your attempt at whataboutism isn't any more impressive than it's ever been. It's always been a bad excuse for anything and continues to be so.

Had you said that communism is not representative of socialism, which it isn't as it's an extreme interpretation, then you'd be right. However communism has deservedly taken it's place on the scrap heap of history alongside fascism, at least for the most part.

The thing is... I may have used other language to describe this point of view, but it's somehow right: US thinks they're the middle of the universe but actually they're not. I don't even care if Russia, China or the US feel like that - I just want to live in a peacefull world.

As I keep telling you people, whataboutism is just a poor excuse for people when they don't have an actual argument to make. Two wrongs have never made a right no matter how hard you try justify that they do.

[dungeon]

For starters: Communism != Soviet Union

Do you know what 'soviet' means? It comes from 'savvy' so maybe you can say savviet there

So if someone is savvy, that does not mean he is commie automatically

USSR or Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, more proper you should say Union of Savvy Socialist Republics... as communism depends on that ideology, so on that figure how all states and all people are savvy or at least should strive to be savvy, otherwise it does not work - because all people are not really savvy but are all indeed different

[Nocifer]

Considering how fascism had it's origins in the far left of the early 1900s and the far left has similarly hostile attitudes towards dissenters it's not a completely unfair comparison to make.

I see your "whataboutery", dear sir, and I counter with... Oh what the hell, let's dispense with the formalities: you're just plain wrong. Fascism was and is nothing more than the jointing of far-right nationalism with your average, run-of-the-mill anti-authoritarianism. The fact that the far left also has similar anti-authoritarian tendencies, as well as the fact that many prominent fascists (e.g Mussolini and other Italian theoreticians of fascism) made a short stop at their local far left pubs before getting kicked out and proceeding to create their own brand of anti-authoritarianism, merely means that all of them wanted to (more or less) violently replace the current status quo with their vision of how a perfect society should be. Nothing more, nothing less. What's important though, is what they wanted to replace the status quo with. And THAT is where fascism (and the other far right ideologies) and communism (and the other far left ideologies) differ like night and day: in the sought-after result.

And I'll do you a favor and not debate on whether fascism is really anti-authoritarian or just a sham by the rich guys to lure despondent people away from the truly revolutionary ideologies of the far left.

It's kind of funny how Orwell pretty much destroyed that misconception of communism in Animal Farm decades before most of us were born, but you still see people who don't realize that all the communists did was replace the old aristocrat and factory owner elites with the communist party elites while the people continued to live in poverty.

You keep going on about how russian communism wasn't representative of communism in general, but history is littered with brutal communist dictators like Mao, Hoxha, Ceausescu, Pol Pot and Honecker. If anyone needs to crack open a history book it's you and your attempt at whataboutism isn't any more impressive than it's ever been. It's always been a bad excuse for anything and continues to be so.

1) Here we go again. Please repeat after me: communism != USSR, or Mao, or Pol Pot, or any other dictator who abused the word to justify their selfishness and brutality, IN THE SAME WAY that modern-day "alt-right" fascists abuse the word "patriotism" and modern-day neo-liberals abuse the words "freedom" and "equality". And what's more, the USSR or Mao or Pol Pot may be responsible for various wrongings, sure, but still their "crimes" (and even their real crimes) can't even hold a candle to the crimes of fascism and nazism, and even neo-liberalism (a la Pinochet).

2) You ARE aware that Orwell was himself a communist, just not a proponent of the soviet-backed Comintern, right? And that his criticism was targeted in general against the totalitarian regimes of the time (sure, USSR included) and NOT against communism itself? And that despite his more than valid objections against the USSR, in the Spanish civil war he fought WITH the communists AGAINST the fascists (i.e. against the same guys that today would have voted for Trump, would have whined against "snowflakes" and "inclusivity" and the Linux CoC, etc), which pretty much means that he did NOT consider them as equally abhorrent (far from it actually) like e.g. you do?

Had you said that communism is not representative of socialism, which it isn't as it's an extreme interpretation, then you'd be right. However communism has deservedly taken it's place on the scrap heap of history alongside fascism, at least for the most part.

Hmm. Goes to show the kind of books you prefer. Sorry mate, but communism still stands atop the highest of pedestals in most history, sociology, economy and philosophy books. REAL academics who disparage it as one and the same with fascism and nazism are a negligible minority when counted against those who recognize it as what it is: the best thing since sliced bread.

It's just that, just like sliced bread, communism comes in all different sizes and with many different toppings, and not all combinations are tasty to all people, or even make sense. And it can even be charred black if one sets out to do so. Still, a slice of bread is a slice of bread - NOTHING can beat it (so far at least).

As I keep telling you people, whataboutism is just a poor excuse for people when they don't have an actual argument to make. Two wrongs have never made a right no matter how hard you try justify that they do.

Same goes for people who copy-paste words from Wikipedia's "List of fallacies" without even bothering to learn what they mean and how/when they should be used in a debate.

[Nocifer]

Do you know what 'soviet' means? It comes from 'savvy' so maybe you can say savviet there

So if someone is savvy, that does not mean he is commie automatically

USSR or Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, more proper you should say Union of Savvy Socialist Republics... as communism depends on that ideology, so on that figure how all states and all people are savvy or at least should strive to be savvy, otherwise it does not work - because all people are not really savvy but are all indeed different

Actually, 'soviet' essentially means 'communism':

"Soviet" is derived from a Russian word signifying council, assembly, advice, harmony, concord,^{[trans 1]} and all ultimately deriving from the Proto-Slavic verbal stem of *vět-iti "to inform", related to Slavic "věst" ("news"), English "wise", the root in "ad-vis-or" (which came to English through French), or the Dutch "weten" (to know; cf. "wetenschap" = science).

The word "sovietnik" means councillor.

But yeah, I know you're joking. And, unfortunately, seeing as I too believe that the biggest "crime" of communism is the faulty assumption that people can be naturally caring and considerate and self-denying towards one another out of their own volition (a notion that contradicts more or less everything that history and evolution have taught us about the human nature) I can't help but agree with you. Indeed, true communism is meant for savvy people. Real, normal people will always need goading (or at least for a good long while more). That's what e.g. Lenin obviously concluded, and that's where his notion of "a strong party that leads the people" originated from, which ultimately lead to the USSR that we all know and "love" nowadays.

Hence we arrive to the age-long problem: where do we find good and honest people to do the goading, until people can become educated enough to stop wanting to one-up and/or f*ck over each other?

[dungeon]

OK, i was thinking maybe this one will be , but now GKH finally marked 4.19 as longterm kernel:

https://www.kernel.org/category/releases.html

[miabrahams]

Nice.

[L_A_G]

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Not sure where the hell you got it into your head that I thought fascism wasn't authoritarian as hell, but like communism it sure as was and thankfully rests on the scrapheap of history together with it's equal in that regard, communism.

It's downright laughable for you to say that I should crack open a history book when you're so willing to ignore how communism far outshines even fascism by deaths and suffering in the 20th century. The reality is that the 20th century saw some absolutely horrific crimes against humanity committed by a wide array of ideologies and while those committed under fascism are the ones best remembered, communism was still the most prolific ideology when it comes to inflicting death and suffering on the peoples of many nations. I really recommend that you go up and read up on things like the suffering caused by Mao ("the great leap forward" and the cultural revolution in particular), Hoxha, Ceausescu, Pol Pot (he's a particularly nasty case) and Tito.

You, like many others of your leanings, definitely have a penchant for historical revisionism as Eric Blair (Orwell's real name) fought with the Republicans in the Spanish civil war together with the local communists and anarchists, not as one of them. As much as historical revisionists like to over-simplify things to fit their world view, the communists were just one of the many groups that fought with the Republicans against the Nationalists supported by Nazi Germany's Condor legion. Mature people can put their differences with others aside as they're working towards common goals so your assumption that Orwell was somehow a communist falls flat on it's face even without a proper explanation of the forces that fought in the Spanish civil war.

As for how communism is regarded in academia, you should remember that communist countries were pretty closed and went out of their way to hide their crimes from the outside world up until their collapse. The crimes of fascism have been laid out for everyone to see since the mid 1940s while the crimes of communism are still repressed and hidden away by countries like China and Russia.

It's also funny how you claim, time and time again, that Soviet communism totally wasn't representative of communism in general, but you can't bring forward a single example while I've brought up over half a dozen different non-Soviet communist dictators and oppressors that have all caused untold misery for their people. No amount of whataboutism and trying to deflect by calling it something on "Wikipedia's list of fallacies" helps you here. Communism was just as bad as fascism when it comes to all of the most fundamental human rights, we just haven't had enough time for the crimes of communism to sink in quite as well as those of fascism.

[dungeon]

How about this L_A_G maybe it is time to mention this too

US Has Killed More Than 20 Million People in 37 “Victim Nations” Since World War II

Hence we arrive to the age-long problem: where do we find good and honest people to do the goading, until people can become educated enough to stop wanting to one-up and/or f*ck over each other?

We can't as people are error prone and all different, with some you can talk while other will just continue to throw shits around

Indeed, true communism is meant for savvy people.

Of course, as many other politics... on the other hand people are inconsistent and different, so nothing will work for everybody