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There's A Push To Try To Release Debian 8.0 Jessie Before February
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Originally posted by Malizor View PostThen use Kubuntu, Ubuntu Gnome or whatever. They don't use Unity by default and probably will end up using Wayland. Yet they are still "Ubuntu".
I can understand people switching distro because they don't like the community, the packaging system or else. But switching because of the default DE of one variant is just stupid.
If you install Gnome, KDE, I3 or Awesome on Debian or Arch, you are still using Debian or Arch...
Did you ever encounter someone who don't use Debian only because the DE selected by default in the installer is Gnome? Me neither.
It reminds me of some Ubuntu haters that use Mint and don't realise they are technically still using Ubuntu.
Switching back to Ubuntu is no option any more because I'm happy with Arch and Debian.
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Originally posted by blubbaer View PostBack there, when I installed Ubuntu I got Unity and I additionally installed GNOME. Suddenly some programs where installed twice, vanilla and unity flavor. Also the vanilla programs were a older version. Then there were other quirks with the configuration and so on. This wouldn't happen if the default DE was GNOME because those bugs were fixed before they release a new version. So somehow the default DE matters because it's the one that is best integrated in the OS.
Switching back to Ubuntu is no option any more because I'm happy with Arch and Debian.
The main advantage I see with arch is you are always up to date with software and somehow pacman has superior performance and easier usage than debian apt tools, theres also the arch linux user repository which has everything you could need, better than handling PPA's.
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Originally posted by chrisb View PostBroadwell will be out soon, and yet Jessie - to be released in 2015 - is still unstable on Intel GPUs from 2012+.
I run debian jessie on :
- i7-3537U with HD4000
- A haswell nuc
- i7-4770
(and other stuff without intel graphics)
and it works without problems...
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Originally posted by r_a_trip View PostBut it isn't just the default DE, is it? It is also that big non-standard display stack that comes as a "bonus" with Unity 8. Single vendor solutions always end up being a problem in one way or another.
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Originally posted by blubbaer View PostBack there, when I installed Ubuntu I got Unity and I additionally installed GNOME. Suddenly some programs where installed twice, vanilla and unity flavor. Also the vanilla programs were a older version. Then there were other quirks with the configuration and so on. This wouldn't happen if the default DE was GNOME because those bugs were fixed before they release a new version. So somehow the default DE matters because it's the one that is best integrated in the OS.
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Originally posted by chrisb View PostThere is still Xubuntu, Kubuntu, Ubuntu Gnome etc. for those who don't like Unity. One reason to use Ubuntu over Debian is that Ubuntu has hardware enablement (backports of modern kernels and drivers to prior releases) so that it will work on new hardware. Case in point - Debian Jessie still does not work properly on Intel GPUs from Ivy Bridge onwards (ie. every Intel laptop sold since 2012). xserver-xorg-video-intel in Jessie has almost 100 open bugs filed against it. The Debian Wheezy installer (various releases from 2013 to 2014) wouldn't even boot on Ivy Bridge graphic systems. Broadwell will be out soon, and yet Jessie - to be released in 2015 - is still unstable on Intel GPUs from 2012+.
Those are all testing bugs, not just jessie bugs... some of them are from etch testing, etc
Besades Intel was only platinum sponsor for DebConf 2014 that somehow tell me you must be wrongLast edited by dungeon; 10 November 2014, 10:17 AM.
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Originally posted by doom_Oo7 View PostFrom the looks of the bug page, it looks to be problems on very specific cases : kfreebsd, specific laptops, or old video cards (i845!!!)[/quote
I run debian jessie on :
- i7-3537U with HD4000
- A haswell nuc
- i7-4770
(and other stuff without intel graphics)
and it works without problems...
The video bug, Iceweasel bug and TearFree bugs are all fixed upstream, but not in Jessie.
Originally posted by dungeon View PostI don't have intel hardware here, but i tried AMD 2 Kabini setups and one Kaveri APUs all works fine with Jessie
Those are all testing bugs, not just jessie bugs... some of them are from etch testing, etc
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Originally posted by chrisb View PostThe video bug, Iceweasel bug and TearFree bugs are all fixed upstream, but not in Jessie.
You can install from there if you want, so are those issues fixed with that prerelase ddx?
Yet the bug reports are still open for the version in Jessie. If the bugs have been closed, then the bug reports should've been closed.
Why Intel made so much RC prerelase ddx drivers i don't know, i can only guess that might be because those are not so stable for all users Thus that is why it sits also so much time in experimental.Last edited by dungeon; 10 November 2014, 12:30 PM.
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Originally posted by dungeon View PostYet that is latest release intel maded , others are pre release rc drivers and you have those always in experimental:
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