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  • #21
    Originally posted by chrisb View Post
    That excuse doesn't change the fact that the version in Jessie has lots of bugs, whereas the more recent versions in Fedora and Ubuntu have far fewer bugs.
    Debian Stable is community distro maded of enterprise quality methods. RC releases are by definition not that, those can happen to come if there is not other way around, but mostly just sits in experimental.

    then why is Intel shipping them to its customers?
    Intel does not care much about legacy, but about future hardware (that is how development mostly goes) and particulary about existing Debian's users that is Debian's job to do and Debian as you see provide good solutions: latest stable and latest pre/releases for you to pick it up (are we missing something, other then latest might not be the gratest?) . If default does not work for you pick one from experimental, and once jessie is released forget about experimental but pick it from backports repo, that is how things goes in Debian... other then that you can use some third party repo or compile your own.

    Do not pretend if you use Fedora you never use experimental repo like koji, etc... or if you use Ubuntu you don't use some ppas

    Why are Fedora and Ubuntu both shipping them in their stable releases?
    Because those are not stable like Debian stable Both Fedora and Ubuntu non lts are not enterprise distros . Those are Ubuntu LTS, RHEL, Debian Stable, etc.

    Really you have that driver in Debian, so don't know what is this discussion about
    Last edited by dungeon; 11-10-2014, 02:01 PM.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by dungeon View Post
      If default does not work for you pick one from experimental, and once jessie is released forget about experimental but pick it from backports repo, that is how things goes in Debian... other then that you can use some third party repo or compile your own.

      Do not pretend if you use Fedora you never use experimental repo like koji, etc... or if you use Ubuntu you don't use some ppas
      Users should not have to use experimental repos, third party repos or compile their own to get stable graphics drivers. If you install Fedora or Ubuntu right now you will get recent and more stable Intel drivers by default, without any experimental repo or PPA.

      Originally posted by dungeon View Post
      Because those are not stable like Debian stable Both Fedora and Ubuntu non lts are not enterprise distros . Those are Ubuntu LTS, RHEL, Debian Stable, etc.
      So how come Ubuntu 14.04 LTS, an "enterprise distro", shipped with a recent Intel driver back in April, six months ago? Think about that for a moment: the driver shipped in Ubuntu LTS April 2014 is more recent and has fewer bugs than the driver Debian will ship with Jessie at some unknown time in 2015. It makes no sense.

      Originally posted by dungeon View Post
      Really you have that driver in Debian, so don't know what is this discussion about
      Why do people think that packages in the experimental repository are suitable for normal users? You say that Debian is an "enterprise distro" and "made of enterprise quality methods", but then say that people who want a stable system should manually configure and install drivers from an experimental repository? The Debian project describes Experimental as "packages and tools which are still being developed, and are still in the alpha testing stage. Users shouldn't be using packages from here, because they can be dangerous and harmful even for the most experienced people." And the Debian Security Team tell people not to use Experimental because it does not get security updates. So why should normal users have to use it to get a stable system?!

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