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Fedora Workstation 41 To No Longer Install GNOME X.Org Session By Default
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Originally posted by robojerk View Post
You're understanding of Wayland seems to not be up to date.
Screen sharing/recording & hot keys works if the portasl are implemented.
KDE6 had these features.
Hyprland from what I've seen has them.
I don't follow Gnome π€·ββοΈ
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One would think that's the right move after so many years. If only, the Wayland session in GNOME was production ready after so much time. Right now, if the shell crashes, everything goes with it, that's not production ready in 2024. We're talking about a shell that's constantly changing and is partly written in JS and worst of all, even third-party extensions run in the same process, bugs and hence crashes are unavoidable. While it's true that X.Org also can't survive crashes, that happens extremely rarely nowadays because of how it's used and years of bug-fixing in compositors, e.t.c.. A bug in an extension may crash the shell or even the compositor could crash but will restart and the state will be preserved. Of course, Vista back in 2006 was and still is much better than any Linux stack and can survive a display server crash and despite the complete overhaul in the display stack, software for XP or earlier work just fine in Vista and later versions.
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Originally posted by Hazel View PostBut despite having been using fedora for 20 years I will keep yelling at the clouds instead of installing X or changing distribution
Stop changing things!
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Originally posted by sindex View PostOne would think that's the right move after so many years. If only, the Wayland session in GNOME was production ready after so much time. Right now, if the shell crashes, everything goes with it, that's not production ready in 2024. We're talking about a shell that's constantly changing and is partly written in JS and worst of all, even third-party extensions run in the same process, bugs and hence crashes are unavoidable. While it's true that X.Org also can't survive crashes, that happens extremely rarely nowadays because of how it's used and years of bug-fixing in compositors, e.t.c.. A bug in an extension may crash the shell or even the compositor could crash but will restart and the state will be preserved. Of course, Vista back in 2006 was and still is much better than any Linux stack and can survive a display server crash and despite the complete overhaul in the display stack, software for XP or earlier work just fine in Vista and later versions.
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Originally posted by sindex View PostOne would think that's the right move after so many years. If only, the Wayland session in GNOME was production ready after so much time. Right now, if the shell crashes, everything goes with it, that's not production ready in 2024. We're talking about a shell that's constantly changing and is partly written in JS and worst of all, even third-party extensions run in the same process, bugs and hence crashes are unavoidable. While it's true that X.Org also can't survive crashes, that happens extremely rarely nowadays because of how it's used and years of bug-fixing in compositors, e.t.c.. A bug in an extension may crash the shell or even the compositor could crash but will restart and the state will be preserved. Of course, Vista back in 2006 was and still is much better than any Linux stack and can survive a display server crash and despite the complete overhaul in the display stack, software for XP or earlier work just fine in Vista and later versions.
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Originally posted by robojerk View Post
You're understanding of Wayland seems to not be up to date.
Screen sharing/recording & hot keys works if the portasl are implemented.
KDE6 had these features.
Hyprland from what I've seen has them.
I don't follow Gnome π€·ββοΈ
Screensharing, OBS etc. work fine here on my Debian with an wlroots-based desktop. No problems.
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Originally posted by andyprough View PostFedora will lose some users over this. Wayland works well in general, but off the top of my head screen sharing still doesn't fully work, video screen recording still doesn't fully work, and global hotkeys for applications such as VLC still don't work. There's probably a lot more issues still. Some people such as myself use these every day for work. Without an Xorg fallback this will be a non-starter.
F41 is still months aways: there's hope that some of them will be fixed in time.
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Originally posted by andyprough View PostFedora will lose some users over this. Wayland works well in general, but off the top of my head screen sharing still doesn't fully work, video screen recording still doesn't fully work, and global hotkeys for applications such as VLC still don't work. There's probably a lot more issues still. Some people such as myself use these every day for work. Without an Xorg fallback this will be a non-starter.
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