Red Hat Updates RHEL Pricing For The Cloud - Now Scales With vCPU Count

[phoronix]

Phoronix: Red Hat Updates RHEL Pricing For The Cloud - Now Scales With vCPU Count

Red Hat announced today that beginning April they will be rolling out a new pricing model for Red Hat Enterprise Linux use in the public cloud...

https://www.phoronix.com/news/RHEL-New-Cloud-Pricing

[sophisticles]

Here is their current pricing:

https://www.redhat.com/en/store/red-hat-enterprise-linux-virtual-datacenters

https://www.redhat.com/en/store/red-hat-enterprise-linux-server

Since these prices are the starting point and they scale up, you can see why there is so much interest in RH compatible alternatives like Rocky and Alma and why those two were able to secure sponsors of greater than a million bucks a year.

You also see why RH considered it such a threat to their business model that they wanted to lock their sources behind a paywall and prevent the RH clones from chiping away at their profits.

[DumbFsck]

Is Red Hat at this point "too big"?

Like Google, Microsoft, Twitter and Amazon, and everybody else firing tens of thousands of engineers - do people in general think RH also has much more personell than needed? Or is the perception that most of the on going costs are actually necessary to provide the support and guarantees, what Red Hat called 'their promises', which is what they consider the product they offer (and what they said others are offering without footing the bill, therefore 'freebooting', instead of just being interested in their tech, which is and will continue to be Open Source)?

I'm genuinely interested in others' thoughts.

[torsionbar28]

Here is their current pricing:

Since these prices are the starting point and they scale up, you can see why there is so much interest in RH compatible alternatives like Rocky and Alma and why those two were able to secure sponsors of greater than a million bucks a year.

You also see why RH considered it such a threat to their business model that they wanted to lock their sources behind a paywall and prevent the RH clones from chiping away at their profits.

Their pricing is quite competitive, very reasonable and in line with offerings from other datacenter OS vendors. We run hundreds of RHEL instances, partly because it's a great OS, and partly because it's cheaper than the alternative. That said, if they (IBM) jacks the prices up too much, of course customers will seek alternatives.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/pricing

Is Red Hat at this point "too big"?

Like Google, Microsoft, Twitter and Amazon, and everybody else firing tens of thousands of engineers - do people in general think RH also has much more personell than needed? Or is the perception that most of the on going costs are actually necessary to provide the support and guarantees, what Red Hat called 'their promises', which is what they consider the product they offer (and what they said others are offering without footing the bill, therefore 'freebooting', instead of just being interested in their tech, which is and will continue to be Open Source)?

I'm genuinely interested in others' thoughts.

Not too big, but 'too IBM'. Red Hat was a better company when they were independent. This is often what happens in acquisitions. See the Broadcom purchase of VMware, for example. VMware pricing about to go way up....

[hf_139]

If you still use RHEL in the year 2024, you are doing something wrong.

Both Canonical and SUSE have better options for Enterprise customers and have a better history than IBM owned RedHat, which is currently existing in a limbo, where we all wonder what they will mess up next.

[You-]

Is Red Hat at this point "too big"?

Like Google, Microsoft, Twitter and Amazon, and everybody else firing tens of thousands of engineers - do people in general think RH also has much more personell than needed? Or is the perception that most of the on going costs are actually necessary to provide the support and guarantees, what Red Hat called 'their promises', which is what they consider the product they offer (and what they said others are offering without footing the bill, therefore 'freebooting', instead of just being interested in their tech, which is and will continue to be Open Source)?

I'm genuinely interested in others' thoughts.

The cuts were not necessary, but even after the cuts AFAIK their staffing levels are much higher than before it all started.

However publicly traded companies in the US work weirdly and seem to need to copy things like hiring practices of other firms, even if in this case they made no sense (and some of the cuts had real hurt as they were people that were active in the various communities).

[qarium]

Here is their current pricing:

https://www.redhat.com/en/store/red-hat-enterprise-linux-virtual-datacenters

https://www.redhat.com/en/store/red-hat-enterprise-linux-server

Since these prices are the starting point and they scale up, you can see why there is so much interest in RH compatible alternatives like Rocky and Alma and why those two were able to secure sponsors of greater than a million bucks a year.
You also see why RH considered it such a threat to their business model that they wanted to lock their sources behind a paywall and prevent the RH clones from chiping away at their profits.

https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1438502-amd-radeon-rx-7600-xt-linux-performance/page8#post1438944

the secret for what he(avis/birdie) is doing and why he is not stopping it is the point that he is not alone.
if you monitor other forum members like sophisticles just to name a example then you can discover the same destructive and hostile plattern.

believe it or not but the linux/opensource community are under attack even people who just read articles on phoronix.com are a Target.
they use sophisticated tragging and monitoring technologies agaist visitors of Phoronix.com and phoronix forum members.

sophisticles even did go so far to link malware traps here in the forum if you clicked on it it used a Zero day security hole in firefox 119 in the firefox language-package and it installed a spy trojan who even manipulated /efi/boot/logo.jpg it used the LogoFail zero day security hole to defeate UEFI Secure boot means if you formated the harddrive and did a fresh install of your linux the infected logo used LogoFail to re-capture the computer and install a spy trojan on your linux again.

even after firefox 119 was fixed with firefox 120 even today phoronix.com visitors and phoronix forum members are monitored and targeted
and i can give you advance information how they do this.

here 2 videos who explained the basics how this works:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWk-JnJZKl8

https://youtu.be/BXE-AK79czs

and here an article about:
Patternz: Spy Tool Monitoring Billions: Israel Security Academy (ISA Security)
(50% of the article is free to read the other 50% is paywalled)

https://www.404media.co/inside-global-phone-spy-tool-patternz-nuviad-real-time-bidding/

and here a german article about this translated in english without paywall:

https://www-heise-de.translate.goog/news/Gezielte-Werbung-Israelischer-Verein-wirbt-mit-5-Milliarden-ueberwachten-Geraeten-9609259.html?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_

""Personalized surveillance instead of advertising: cell phone data evaluated and sold
The Patternz case provides new insights into the state-industrial surveillance complex. The technology can also identify a target's children and routes.
Small, ad-supported apps on smartphones can have a way with you. Popular applications such as 9gag, Kik and a range of programs that link a displayed number with the potential name of the caller (caller ID) are part of a global surveillance system. This is shown by the Viennese Internet researcher Wolfie Christl from Cracked Labs and the online magazine 404 Media. Mobile mass surveillance starts with targeted ads in apps that are sold via "Real Time Bidding" (RTB). This process is used to sell personalized advertising in real time via auctions, for example. The data, which is initially condensed into profiles for commercial purposes, then ends up in the hands of law enforcement agencies and intelligence services.
Data on five billion devices Christl, together with Johnny Ryan of the Irish Council for Civil Liberties, revealed the Patternz case in a study on "Europe's hidden security crisis". This is a tool from the Israeli Security Academy (ISA Security), which claims to operate as an association, but externally acts more like a company from the country's large state-industrial security complex. According to its self-description, ISA focuses on the technical equipment of the police and intelligence services. Patternz until recently promoted the organization as a technique that analyzes massive RTB data from providers like Google and X, profiling five billion devices and their users. Christl and Ryan have published a screenshot in which Patternz provides the current location of a target person, historical movements over several months and frequently met contacts. The tool can identify children, colleagues, hobbies and the “route” of a person being spied on. ISA has now password-protected the advertising site after 404 Media wanted to know details about it. In a now-deleted video uploaded to YouTube in January 2023, Rafi Ton, who identifies himself as the "CEO of Patternz" and adtech firm Nuviad, said, according to the report: "We analyze the behavior of over 600,000 applications." One slide states: "The cell phone is becoming a de facto tracking bracelet." The clip is specifically about tracking Covid cases, but Ton admitted that the solution was built as a “homeland security platform”. There are many people involved in the “spy advertising” pipeline According to 404, the investigations provide a first insight into how personalized advertising in ordinary mobile apps could ultimately lead to surveillance by spy companies and their government customers via the RTB chain. Smaller, unknown advertising companies and advertising industry giants such as Google are said to be involved in the pipeline. The search engine company and PubMatic, another advertising company specializing in RTB, have declared that they have now severed their ties to ISA Security. In the study, Christl and Ryan also write that Google and other RTB companies "send" relevant data about US citizens "to Russia and China," where national laws allow security authorities to access it. Such information from advertising auctions is also available “widely within the EU and publicly for everyone”. They could also be obtained from foreign and non-state actors. "The comprehensive surveillance machinery that was developed for digital advertising now directly enables mass surveillance by the state," criticized Christl to 404. "Many companies - from app publishers to advertisers to large tech companies - are acting completely irresponsibly. That must come to an end." A Dutch radio station recently demonstrated how easily cell phone users can be secretly tracked: It got its hands on 80 gigabytes of location data from the Berlin platform Datarade and was able to shadow officers."

now i hope i could open your eyes Avis/Birdie is not alone he and other forum members like sophisticles actively target phoronix forum members who are part of the linux/opensource/free-software community.

[skeevy420]

Is Red Hat at this point "too big"?

Like Google, Microsoft, Twitter and Amazon, and everybody else firing tens of thousands of engineers - do people in general think RH also has much more personell than needed? Or is the perception that most of the on going costs are actually necessary to provide the support and guarantees, what Red Hat called 'their promises', which is what they consider the product they offer (and what they said others are offering without footing the bill, therefore 'freebooting', instead of just being interested in their tech, which is and will continue to be Open Source)?

I'm genuinely interested in others' thoughts.

No one thinks any of them have too many engineers aside from the shareholders. If anything, they don't have enough engineers. Those layoffs and firings happen around this time every single year and their only point is to remove personnel from the books to inflate the numbers to make the shareholders happy. It has the added "benefit" that it resets all accrued vacation time and puts people back into a probationary period before they get their full fringe benefits back.

Within two or three months all those jobs will be filled back up. They'll be the same jobs, but because the people are now new hires they're worth less on the books due to them not having to pay benefits just yet. This will repeat again in 11 months between November and February as the rank and file start becoming eligible for actual benefits and seniority.

That is more of an American thing that is starting to spread to other countries. Yeah, we're a bunch of R words for depending on some job for healthcare. We don't get mandated vacation time because that infringes on our right to offer minimum wage jobs with no benefits that promote a cycle of poverty, neglect, and crime. It's even worse when they're contractors for Big Tech because a lot of times they don't even qualify for SNAP or unemployment when they get fired due to how they get taxed.

[torsionbar28]

If you still use RHEL in the year 2024, you are doing something wrong.

Both Canonical and SUSE have better options for Enterprise customers and have a better history than IBM owned RedHat, which is currently existing in a limbo, where we all wonder what they will mess up next.

Do Canonical and SUSE have options for guaranteed US stateside support teams? I'm genuinely curious, as many of my customers have requirements for US-based support staff. RHEL does offer this as an option for those who require it.

[torsionbar28]

Yeah, we're a bunch of R words for depending on some job for healthcare.

False, this doesn't exist any longer. Anyone can purchase health care on the state-run health care exchange. Or if you're an illegal immigrant, NY and CA will give it to you free, at taxpayer expense.

We don't get mandated vacation time because that infringes on our right to offer minimum wage jobs with no benefits that promote a cycle of poverty, neglect, and crime.

False, minimum wage jobs exist as an introduction to the work force, for new workers. They are not intended to be long-term, or to support a family.