openSUSE Slowroll Released As A Slower Alternative To openSUSE Tumbleweed

[HadrienG]

Well, that's definitely more confidence-inspiring than the former plan of marketing a "containerize all the things" distro as the one and only Leap replacement.

[Sonadow]

Well, that's definitely more confidence-inspiring than the former plan of marketing a "containerize all the things" distro as the one and only Leap replacement.

There's nothing confidence-inspiring about a project that cannot even decide which repositories it should use.



Slowroll and Slowroll: are not symlinks and each folder contain different packages with different versions.

[Leinad]

Where did you read that? I remember the maintainer said users also prefer Tumbleweed.

Yes, maintainers and contributors don't like Leap.

Numbers are visible in https://metrics.opensuse.org/d/osrt_...access?orgId=1 . While Leap numbers are somewhat inaccurate (there is guess, that over 30% is just from one big company badly configured CI), Leap still very probably have bigger user base of silent consumers.

[HadrienG]

Oh, so like Debian Stable, Testing, and Unstable. What’s the point of OpenSUSE, again?

Debian testing is a bit of a weird release cycle, alternating between fast-paced change and periods of stagnation before new stable releases. This is more regular.

As for the point of openSUSE Tumbleweed vs something like Debian unstable : when Debian unstable pushes a broken update, it breaks your system and leaves you full of sadness. When Tumbleweed pushes a broken update (which happens a little more rarely due to superior upstream QA), you can just snapper rollback your system back to a working state and move on with your day. Then later when you have the time, you can take the time to identify the offending package, file a bug report, and lock it from future updates until the bug is resolved. That rolling release workflow is so much better, I have no idea why every other distro has not jumped to copypaste it. Might just boil down to prejudice against btrfs?

[Malsabku]

More?! How many more variants of openSUSE are we going to get?

Slowroll will be the replacement for Leap. So one variant will go, and another comes.

[user1]

Debian testing is a bit of a weird release cycle, alternating between fast-paced change and periods of stagnation before new stable releases. This is more regular.

As for the point of openSUSE Tumbleweed vs something like Debian unstable : when Debian unstable pushes a broken update, it breaks your system and leaves you full of sadness. When Tumbleweed pushes a broken update (which happens a little more rarely due to superior upstream QA), you can just snapper rollback your system back to a working state and move on with your day. Then later when you have the time, you can take the time to identify the offending package, file a bug report, and lock it from future updates until the bug is resolved. That rolling release workflow is so much better, I have no idea why every other distro has not jumped to copypaste it. Might just boil down to prejudice against btrfs?

Even if I currently don't use it, I consider tumbleweed the only rolling release distro that I accept to use. Even if something breaks because of an update, in Tumbleweed it's still way less serious compared to Arch or Debian Unstable. For example, (unless you have Nvidia or other proprietary drivers), Tumbleweed will never release an update that will leave your system unbootable. Because it's something that OpenQA will definitely catch. Also, in case of Arch, I find the whole "certain updates require manual intervention" thing unacceptable and it's one of the reasons I don't consider Arch a serious distro even for regular daily usage. I guess the reason Tumbleweed is less popular than Arch and the other distros based on it is the AUR. But then again, these days we have a wonderful thing called distrobox.

[szymon_g]

btw, do we know yet if the delta rpms will be supported? leap supports them, TW doesnt- and they do allow to reduce the traffic drastically. yes, I know that for many people (me included) downloading 100mb of updates is nothing really but most of the world (think worldwide not just about the western countries) isn't in such good situation.

also, are they signed to run off secure boot systems?

[Rovano]

Yes, maintainers and contributors don't like Leap.

Numbers are visible in https://metrics.opensuse.org/d/osrt_...access?orgId=1 . While Leap numbers are somewhat inaccurate (there is guess, that over 30% is just from one big company badly configured CI), Leap still very probably have bigger user base of silent consumers.

Interesting how many users prefer version 15.4 over 15.5. We still have the last subversion of number 15, 15.6.

[varikonniemi]

All the Manjaro haters will get a collective aneurysm when they realize this is essentially same as Stable branch of Manjaro compared to Arch.

[user1]

All the Manjaro haters will get a collective aneurysm when they realize this is essentially same as Stable branch of Manjaro compared to Arch.

But Slowroll will still benefit from the automated OpenQA testing, something which neither Manjaro nor other Arch derivative nor Arch itself have.