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  • #61
    Originally posted by mSparks View Post

    nowhere near as many as when Redhat set up streams to leech off Fedora and then decided to go full pirate with its EL distribution when that didnt work.

    But maximum internet points to IBM for such excellence they managed to make Oracle look like the good guys.
    Doesn't Redhat provide the development infrastructure for Fedora?
    Secondly, how dense are people? Exactly how does SuSE not realize this devalues its own Enterprise operating system and the value of the money their customers are paying?
    I understand, and respect, that humans like to go tribal on things but what Redhat did here is protect its customer base's investments. They didn't shoot themselves in the foot if the freeloaders are upset. There customers are retarded if they don't thank them over this.

    Ok, I have a possible explanation as to SuSE suicidal move. They think their Euro customers won't abandon them for RHEL. I can't be sure though.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by ClosedSource View Post

      Doesn't Redhat provide the development infrastructure for Fedora?
      Secondly, how dense are people? Exactly how does SuSE not realize this devalues its own Enterprise operating system and the value of the money their customers are paying?
      I understand, and respect, that humans like to go tribal on things but what Redhat did here is protect its customer base's investments. They didn't shoot themselves in the foot if the freeloaders are upset. There customers are retarded if they don't thank them over this.

      Ok, I have a possible explanation as to SuSE suicidal move. They think their Euro customers won't abandon them for RHEL. I can't be sure though.
      The point of all this is RHEL is no longer the standard anyone is working to.
      That only devalues what they are working to if RHEL has value.
      Piracy has no value.

      By far the biggest contribution all the distributions make is users reporting issues. This is why streams is a total failure, no interest, so no users, so no one reporting issues, means everything RH pulls from it is as good as untested.

      Oracle already has OUEK, and its been doing great, OEL is the "battletested" codebase everyone will now work to, and RedHat can go play in their own sandpit and learn the hard way that most companies will not buy into blatent software piracy.

      There is nothing special about the RedHat logo that gives its owners special rights to code owned by other people.

      What exactly do you think everyone but Redhat agreeing the era of redhat enterprise linux is over takes away from customers paying for their bugs to be fixed?

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      • #63
        Originally posted by mSparks View Post

        The point of all this is RHEL is no longer the standard anyone is working to.
        That only devalues what they are working to if RHEL has value.
        Piracy has no value.

        By far the biggest contribution all the distributions make is users reporting issues. This is why streams is a total failure, no interest, so no users, so no one reporting issues, means everything RH pulls from it is as good as untested.

        Oracle already has OUEK, and its been doing great, OEL is the "battletested" codebase everyone will now work to, and RedHat can go play in their own sandpit and learn the hard way that most companies will not buy into blatent software piracy.

        There is nothing special about the RedHat logo that gives its owners special rights to code owned by other people.

        What exactly do you think everyone but Redhat agreeing the era of redhat enterprise linux is over takes away from customers paying for their bugs to be fixed?
        Ok, let's picture a future where no one bothers to target RHEL because only one vendor sells it. This doesn't answer why SuSE did this. Oracle doesn't have the balls to start such a project. Wouldn't it make more sense to just move on to Debian and QA the heck out of it like Ubuntu does?

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        • #64
          Originally posted by ClosedSource View Post
          This doesn't answer why SuSE did this.
          Just the documentation donated by Oracle is enough to justify it surely? That alone must be worth 10s of milions of $$$$'s

          There was a massive void left by the deletion of CentOS. It makes perfect sense that all the competition would club together to take them all off RH.

          Originally posted by ClosedSource View Post
          Oracle doesn't have the balls to start such a project. Wouldn't it make more sense to just move on to Debian and QA the heck out of it like Ubuntu does?
          Not sure what you mean, the website is pretty clear in the purpose and function of this project:
          https://openela.org/about/
          • To establish and make accessible the sources, tooling, and assets to all members, collaborators, and the open source Enterprise Linux distribution developers to create and maintain 1:1 downstream derivatives of EL
          • To allow and encourage contributions and enhancements from the upstream community in the form of “extras”
          • To always act in the best interests of the open source community and all downstream derivatives
          • To create an inclusive community of organizations and individuals to ensure the longevity, stability, and management of this project
          ​Basically create a "standard" Enterprise Linux distribution that software developers can target with confidence their software will work, with none of this flatpak/snap garbage, or the likes of RH intentionally foistering buggy garbage like wayland onto everyone in a vane hope it will sell more support contracts.

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          • #65
            Maybe they should form alliance around https://ghostkernel.org/news/ghost--...ng-66#comments

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            • #66
              Originally posted by jaypatelani View Post
              Maybe they should form alliance around https://ghostkernel.org/news/ghost--...ng-66#comments
              probably better suggesting that directly, their slack group is on the join page
              Absolutely everyone is welcome to join! From Enterprise Linux downstream derivatives, to organizations that depend on Enterprise Linux, to vendors, and individuals who just love being part of something amazing, YOU ARE INVITED! How to Join: We are still in the early makings of the project, so the first step in becoming part of what we are doing is to join us and say hello! Join the OpenELA Team on Slack note: Slack invite links sometimes need to be regenerated.


              you should post your CV first so everyone knows who you are.

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